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NickK said:
Taiwan and it's semiconductor businesses produce revenue that could pay back for a war.
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I don't see that as being a reality - semi-conductor production is hugely complex and relies on massive chains of experience, design, development and materials. It would take more than capturing the facilities intact, even with key staff to do much useful.

The US would then massively ramp up facilities in Germany and the US owned, or formerly owned by the likes of TSMC, IBM and TI and a lot of stuff would become hideously expensive to pay that back.
 
Rroff said:
Ukraine has a significant far right/nazi problem but I'm not sure it is fair to brand the whole country because of it. There aren't really good guys in this conflict (you only have to look at the likes of the Azov battalion) but there is far more to it than just that and ultimately if Ukraine was involved more with the West in theory that is a situation which would only improve over time - though looking at the likes of Hungary there are limits to that.
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I suspect the move to independence and having all the realities of an economy that needs effort has generated a lot of problems that impact people. Those problems take time, people sold the perfect future and so now it's easy for parties that demonise people/opposition as the cause of all the pain and problems. The population doesn't know how things should run, and what 'good' looks like. The result is an easy sell to those that don't know different.
Every invasion and expansion of boarders is promoted as a return to the good old days that offered stability and a 'normal way of life'. Thus it's going to get support.

Ukraine isn't a democracy, so the only option we'll have is provide the space for the people of Ukraine to decide what they want (without harassment or force at the election booth). Remove the puppet. Free the country and then allow them to make their own decision.

The fun will be the war's use of economics - cutting gas/petroleum is needed by both sides.. If the west move away from Russian fossil fuels, then the only country they have to sell to is China.. China could then essentially make a bid to invade Russia..
 
Rroff said:
I don't see that as being a reality - semi-conductor production is hugely complex and relies on massive chains of experience, design, development and materials. It would take more than capturing the facilities intact, even with key staff to do much useful.

The US would then massively ramp up facilities in Germany and the US owned, or formerly owned by the likes of TSMC, IBM and TI and a lot of stuff would become hideously expensive to pay that back.
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That's my point - the US can use the markets/import/export to wage war in terms of viability.

China's first goal is to take the fabs and skills - that allows them to jump forward in technology. That alone may pay for the war effort.
 
NickK said:
That's my point - the US can use the markets/import/export to wage war in terms of viability.

China's first goal is to take the fabs and skills - that allows them to jump forward in technology. That alone may pay for the war effort.
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For any of the more advanced nodes they would need to replicate for instance the work of ASML ( https://www.asml.com/en/company/about-asml/asml-at-a-glance ) amongst other challenges - it would take a long time.
 
The Running Man said:
Goddammit I'm due to fly to kiev tomorrow
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Personally, I wouldn't worry. Kiev is miles away from where any initial fighting may start. Mate of mine has a place there, he runs tours in the zone. It's on their minds of course but I don't think there is need to worry too much.

I'd be on the first flight there if I could get away. Assuming the place doesn't go to hell I'll be there in May and October.
 
I'm due to be going to Belarus in May to visit my girlfriend's family. Suspect this won't be happening if Russia are launching an invasion from there!
 
EddScott said:
Personally, I wouldn't worry. Kiev is miles away from where any initial fighting may start. Mate of mine has a place there, he runs tours in the zone. It's on their minds of course but I don't think there is need to worry too much.

I'd be on the first flight there if I could get away. Assuming the place doesn't go to hell I'll be there in May and October.
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It’s 50 miles from the Belarus border where large amounts of troops are known to be amassing.
 
Mr Jack said:
Ukraine is a democracy. Although not, by any means, a perfect one. Russian interference in substantial parts of the country are, of course, making this much worse.
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Given that the totalitarian "elected" puppet is the reason why there's riots.. I suspect it's not a particularly text-book definition of a democracy.
 
delta0 said:
It’s 50 miles from the Belarus border where large amounts of troops are known to be amassing.
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True. We pass through the border and out the other side when taking the train to the power plant in Chernobyl.

I may be appearing naive, but I'll believe the invasion when it happens. I would not have a problem being in that area right now.
 
I mean Ukraine is doomed all Russia have to do is send in Yuri in and get him take over and sell a couple of those old high rise buildings the soviets left and Ukraine's economy will be in so much disarray not even the Klitschko's could save it.
 
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