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This all feels really nuts.
It feels like both sides are purposely escalating out of sheer stubbornness regardless of real intentions. Like someone else said in the thread, two kids in a playground slowly walking toward each other windmilling telling the other to get out of the way.
 
This all feels really nuts.
It feels like both sides are purposely escalating out of sheer stubbornness regardless of real intentions. Like someone else said in the thread, two kids in a playground slowly walking toward each other windmilling telling the other to get out of the way.
More like one big kid doing that while the other, smaller, one is backed into a corner. Some other bigger kids are watching from a distance telling the smaller one to hit the big one in the nuts if they come close.
 
Hmm. I was expecting a lot cheaper than that!

This is not 10-20 years ago when everything was silly cheap.

I think I paid £30 for one rib eye premium steak and that wasn't the most expensive.

Chanpagne is expensive, in supermarket/stores you might be paying £60-£100 for what you can buy in tesco for £30-40.

On the other hand a small bottle of zubrowka vodka like maybe 150ml or abit more was about £2 or so.

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So basically imported stuff is expensive local ischeaper and they don't have sugar tax or unit alcohol tax as far as I can tell.

30-40 minute taxi for foreigners about £20 (Airport transfer for example)
 
This is not 10-20 years ago when everything was silly cheap.

I think I paid £30 for one rib eye premium steak and that wasn't the most expensive.

Chanpagne is expensive, in supermarket/stores you might be paying £60-£100 for what you can buy in tesco for £30-40.

On the other hand a small bottle of zubrowka vodka like maybe 150ml or abit more was about £2 or so.

So basically imported stuff is expensive local ischeaper and they don't have sugar tax or unit alcohol tax as far as I can tell.

30-40 minute taxi for foreigners about £20 (Airport transfer for example)

At those prices, kiev is off my list!
 
The @The Running Man going to be running from the gulag :D

I joke Kyiv a decent city I recommend visiting the monastry and going under neath it was like going back in time with loads of popes praying make sure you light a candle I didnt. :cry:

It quite a cheap city I thought beer was cheap and food scaled up to whatever you like but generally was cheap.

Also recommend visiting the churches very good for photos as they are beautifully designed, If it open I also recommend visiting the war museum it very detailed has a lot in it I was very surprised.
 
Have to wonder how bad its going to get. I mean it's Russia. They control the gas I Europe.

Not really much we can do with sanctions.

I mean at what point would eu/USA be dragged into an actual full scale war? How far could Russia get?

They hold a lot of cards
 
I mean at what point would eu/USA be dragged into an actual full scale war? How far could Russia get?

Russia would have to declare war for us or the US to go to war, even if Russia "accidentally" shot at our aircraft or ships, I doubt our leaders would have the balls to declare a war or retaliate militarily in some form without declaring all out war

It's a sad state of affairs how weak Western leadership is at the moment and Putin knows this better than anybody
 
I think a limited invasion is almost inevitable at this point. All the rhetoric from the west seems to be around imposing sanctions if he does, which is akin to saying "No, No, Bad Putin, In your bed!"

If they're going in might they as well take the lot would be Putin's thinking I imagine, and intelligence of installing a puppet in Kiev suggests occupying the western portion as well as Donbas not much point in leaving a rump fermenting dissent may as well nail down the lot.

I mean at what point would eu/USA be dragged into an actual full scale war? How far could Russia get?

A full on attack on a NATO member would be crossing the line at least in theory, the US is in full on isolationist mode at the moment though so who knows whether they'd step up to the mark
 
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I don't think there's much prospect of an all out war.

However, it only takes one overzealous finger on the missile button for things to go south quite quickly, could be massive sanctions and other issues.

Certainly an interesting situation.
 
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