Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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kitfit1 said:
People like Putin don't really have any friends. What they do have is people that are useful to them...............................until they are no longer useful to them.
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Just goes to show all the money he has stashed away, the palaces, the super-yachts... they're of no value to him now hiding in his bunker.
 
Grim5 said:
Ukrainian minister of defence says the demilitarisation of Russia is going according to plan

Get this man a NAFO dog asap

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Oleksii Reznikov master of the troll. Anyone who was ignorant of Ukrainian's and thought they were the poor cousins of their Russian neighbours should now realise just how intelligent and well educated the Ukrainian people are, Oleksii Reznikov is a prime example.
 
Looks like both the Russians and Ukrainians are now using tanks as artillery. Not sure how accurate they are for this purpose or what distances they can hit targets with but there is evidence both sides are doing it, firing 125mm tank shells as indirect artillery
 
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Fire_fly said:
I'm engaging in a bit of idle speculation here but the IFF could have been working perfectly and they still shot it down.

There was a bit of speculation with the first attack on the base the the Ukrainians had somehow managed to spoof a Russian jet's IFF transponder onto the drone so it would show up on Russian RADAR as a friendly and not immediately get intercepted and shot down. It doesn't need to be perfect, just good enough to doubt into the minds of the Air defence operators to ask their higher up what to do so giving the done / missile enough time to reach its target. I would guess that they did it again this time and spoofed the IFF of a Russian fighter aircraft. It didn't work quite so well this time and the Russian scrambled a Su-27 to intercept it. However the drone / missile made it to the base and the IFF combined with a bit of clever routing to make it look like an aircraft on a landing approach fooled the local base air defence to allow it to slam into it's target. Then an unfortunate chain of event happen, well for the pilot of the SU-27. The operators of the bases air defence have not been told that the jet has been scrambled, that information has got lost somewhere. The Su-27 shows up too late to shoot down the drone / missile but arrives in the area of the local base air defence coverage just after the missile hits. The air defence operators see a friendly IFF contact on their screens, possibly of the same type as the one that has just turned out to be a missile, and it is approaching from the same direction. They go "Aha, those Ukrainians must think we are so stupid that we will fall for this twice in the same day, FIRE!"
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Putin: Damnit how did they get our secret IFF transponder codes!?!?!
General Failure: Well boss, you remember how President Yeltsin told Ukraine and all the other ex-SSRs to stop using the USSRs secret IFF transponder codes as we were the successor state and they were now our codes?
Putin: Of Course I Do!!!
General Failure: Well boss, do you remember how President Yeltsin got mad that the code for the nuclear briefcase was changed from 12345 and broke six ashtrays trying to get into it? You know the day he ordered us to never change any codes again?
Putin: Yes...
General Failure: Well boss...
Putin: ****!
 
Grim5 said:
Looks like both the Russians and Ukrainians are now using tanks as artillery. Not sure how accurate they are for this purpose or what distances they can hit targets with but there is evidence both sides are doing it, firing 125mm tank shells as indirect artillery
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Using tanks as indirect fire was standard Soviet doctrine so both Russia and Ukraine will share this doctrine plus the knowledge of how to do it with the T-xx tanks.

If I remember correctly the idea was for the backline tanks (the ones behind the frontline tanks but on front of the towed/self propelled artillery) to use indirect fire unless they were needed to move forwards (If you're advancing on a choke point and can't send all the tanks together it makes sense to have them firing rather than sitting).

In theory this doctrine will be even more improved on Ukraine's modern battlefield, as you could have a tank firing high explosive shells indirectly while a recon drone provides the gunner live footage of where his shells are landing.
 
bris said:
This as a massive test for the effectiveness of NATO weapons in real war situations.

Arms manufactures are getting priceless data money cant buy.
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Yeah they're not helping Ukraine out of the goodness of their hearts, all their Christmas's have come at once.
 
alchal said:
It's up to the governments to send this equipment, not the arms manufacturers, otherwise the area would be swarming with everything NATO has as there Christmas has come etc etc
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Yes, and all the stuff used has to be replaced. Kerching.
 
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