Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Explosions can be weird things - people have walked away almost unharmed at close range while others nearby have been practically vaporised and vice-versa people die at a distance while others closer survive, etc.

Look at the Shoreham airshow crash - a fuled fast jet, and the pilot didnt eject but walked away from the fireball.
 
If want to see two knocked out Russian BMP check out video on Ukrainewarvideoreport on Reddit very NSFW though.

Two knocked out Russian BMPs and a number of KIAs in a field as Ukrainian troops inspect the aftermath​

 
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I understand but from a "top attack" you would expect to see some damage somewhere on the top given the warhead design

Often with these kind of weapons you don't get much damage where it hits - either works by generating plasma/shrapnel internally behind the impact or penetrates and causes damage inside - which either incapacitates the crew and/or then destroys the vehicle via secondaries.
 
That paints a different picture to how supposedly effective NLAW & Javelin were at the start of this campaign, really surprised they didn't manage to kill it outright and also why there was just a lone BMP with no other armour support and why the Ukrainian/foreign fighters had no armour support of their own

A lot of the fighting to the north and Kharkiv direction was irregular forces (territorial, security forces, foreign legion, etc.), though there was also the 92nd Mechanized forces and some other regular army units - a lot of the regular army where deployed to blocking positions and the original lines of contact to keep Russian forces from pushing through - there was lots of bitter fighting along the original fronts with the breakaway regions, etc. which largely went unreported as unlike the territorial forces, etc. most of the regular soldiers weren't posting to TikTok and the likes. Most of the forces you'd see with yellow or blue arm bands earlier on were irregular forces.

Aside from stuff like MRAPs they didn't get issued much in the way of armour - a lot of the territorial forces are moving around with at most light armour, though increasingly heavier stuff is getting used now.

I've not really seen much NLAW use despite the amounts sent out - but I think operator lack of familiarity meant they were used less effectively than they could have been. Earlier on as well the Russian use of armour made them much more exposed to those kind of weapons while they are being more cautious now.

One of Russia's favourite tactics is "recon by combat" though more normally a lone tank with several armoured fighting vehicles in support sometimes it is just a lone BMP - the goal being to get the opposition to reveal their positions for a follow up attack - but Ukraine fairly early on wised up to that and more commonly sent out small mobile groups, such as the foreign legion fighters, to deal with them rather than a larger force.

EDIT: The BMP was at around 350m from them as well which is a long shot for direct fire weapons like RPGs and they seemingly only had the 1 NLAW.
 
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Russia (and Soviet) battle doctrine emphasised armour (esp Tanks) and during the cold war they had a LOT.

On the modern battlefield, armour (especially previous and older generation tanks - the bulk of Russia's holdings) is significantly more susceptible than in the past. This poses major vulnerability for Russia, and something they chose to counter with the development and field deployemnt (but not yet use) of tactical nuclear weapons.
 
TBH in that video I think they got a bit lucky - the drone footage looks like the general area the BMP was maneuvering in got hit with artillery (possibly heard near the start of the video), there is a damaged truck nearby and equipment possibly a dead body in the road - IMO the BMP crew got spooked by the artillery and ran, there is no response I can see from the BMP in the drone shots - if its turret and autocannon was still working they'd have shot right through the cover the people in the video were using and most of the return fire seems to be lighter stuff coming from further back (though does sound like 30mm cannon around 3:28 in the video but hard to tell where it is from).
 
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I understand but from a "top attack" you would expect to see some damage somewhere on the top given the warhead design

The hole physically punched into to the top of the armour by the copper EFP slug is only going to be about 2cm to (at most) 5cm in diameter, so you'll never see a hole that small on the pixelated drone footage, but the internal damage to the engine/GB (where it looks like it impacted) has destroyed it's ability to move i.e. a mobility kill.

So it's not as fancy looking as a Javelin chucking a T80 turret 10m in the air but that BMP is useless now, unless Russia was somehow quickly able to send in an armoured recovery vehicle to pick up the remains and get it to a maintenance depot to fit a new engine/GB etc, which is extremely unlikely.
 
Russia (and Soviet) battle doctrine emphasised armour (esp Tanks) and during the cold war they had a LOT.

On the modern battlefield, armour (especially previous and older generation tanks - the bulk of Russia's holdings) is significantly more susceptible than in the past. This poses major vulnerability for Russia, and something they chose to counter with the development and field deployemnt (but not yet use) of tactical nuclear weapons.

One thing you really need to be able to do in tanks on a modern battlefield is reverse - most Soviet era tanks or those based on them are sub 5MPH in reverse, while many Western tanks can manage 20-30MPH.

Much of the older Soviet era hardware was designed with all out war with the West in mind as one of the main principles - it tends to struggle in more "nuanced" battlefields for want of a better way of putting it.
 
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If I am doing the Math right, then the UK had 79 Challenger II's that are or were retired. I wonder how many of those will make it to Ukraine.
 
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*Russian Foreign Ministry: Russia-Belarus Military Drills Are Designed to Discourage Opponents From Military Escalation - TASS

I mean.... they are already somewhat of a laughing stock, and people like Poland are looking for a reason to Leeroy Jenkins into the fight. (In this instance Russia is a low level boss though lol).
 
South Korea is considering updating its defence policy to build its own nuclear weapons for defence



Could see this type of thing coming a while away - the UN and the global order has been unable to stop the invasion of a sovereign European nation in Ukraine. That signals to governments all around the world the only defence you have is yourself and that path leads to everyone wanting nuclear weapons.
 
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South Korea is considering updating its defence policy to build its own nuclear weapons for defence



Could see this type of thing coming a while away - the UN and the global order has been unable to stop the invasion of a sovereign European nation in Ukraine. That signals to governments all around the world the only defence you have is yourself and that path leads to everyone wanting nuclear weapons.

Yeah unfortunately not very surprising. Gonna make things very messy.
 
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I thought top attack was the most lethal mode because armour generally doesn't have much in the way of armour on the top and it's supposed explode just above and penetrate the little armour that is there ? Seems like it didn't work properly and just hit the side taking out the track instead ?

The penetrating projectile for an nlaw and javelin is a high energy copper “spike” the is created when the war head explodes (reforms the copper during the explosion). It’s molten and penetration into the interior will cause it to spray holy molten metal around the insides. With low armour it will simply go though the vehicle on yhe other side but if it hits anything it still spray off it.
There’s a good chance that some of crew inside were injured or killed, as well as the vehicle being immobilised by piecing the front (most of the time the engine is in the front to make space for troop carrying and to provide additional armour). So i suspect the tabk is a write off except the turret and gun. How long before the battery runs out stopping the turret rotating would not be too long after.
 
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The penetrating projectile for an nlaw and javelin is a high energy copper “spike” the is created when the war head explodes (reforms the copper during the explosion). It’s molten and penetration into the interior will cause it to spray holy molten metal around the insides. With low armour it will simply go though the vehicle on yhe other side but if it hits anything it still spray off it.
There’s a good chance that some of crew inside were injured or killed, as well as the vehicle being immobilised by piecing the front (most of the time the engine is in the front to make space for troop carrying and to provide additional armour). So i suspect the tabk is a write off except the turret and gun. How long before the battery runs out stopping the turret rotating would not be too long after.

Possible the BMP started firing again after the drone footage and/or the first hit on the BMP was before the drone footage, there is definitely some sporadic 30mm cannon fire in the first person footage. But it looks like the BMP got bracketed by artillery or mortar rounds and the crew bailed before the NLAW hit to me. I've also seen some other footage from that bit of action and it seemed like the Russians were returning fire from further back as well.
 
Possible the BMP started firing again after the drone footage and/or the first hit on the BMP was before the drone footage, there is definitely some sporadic 30mm cannon fire in the first person footage. But it looks like the BMP got bracketed by artillery or mortar rounds and the crew bailed before the NLAW hit to me. I've also seen some other footage from that bit of action and it seemed like the Russians were returning fire from further back as well.
Either way, one nasty 30mm out the way.
 
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