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Why does every topic come full circle back to labour vs tories? it's zzz.

Russia have been trying to influence all sorts of political groups in the west, not just limited to the UK.
 
HungryHippos said:
Why does every topic come full circle back to labour vs tories? it's zzz.

Russia have been trying to influence all sorts of political groups in the west, not just limited to the UK.
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Agreed they have... But where have they actually succeeded? Oh yeh right, the Tory party. - As evidenced by them putting the son of an FSB agent into the house of lords.

You may not like it, or want to hear it but it is reality.
 
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bingham67 said:

Apparently very good in the snow and wet :cool:
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CV-90 good kit. I know easier said than done but I'd like to see us give them a bunch of updated/upgraded CVR-T based vehicles - with a bit of work they'd be ideal for the kind of situation in Ukraine at the moment. Sadly would likely take years of work and bureaucracy even if there was the stock and will there to do it.
 
Devilman said:
Agreed they have... But where have they actually succeeded? Oh yeh right, the Tory party. - As evidenced by them putting the son of an FSB agent into the house of lords.

You may not like it, or want to hear it but it is reality.
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It's just boring and has nothing to do with this in the here and now really, we're helping Ukraine more than most aren't we?

People just seem to find a way to either drag Brexit or Tory/Labour debates into just about any topic.
 
HungryHippos said:
It's just boring and has nothing to do with this in the here and now really, we're helping Ukraine more than most aren't we?

People just seem to find a way to either drag Brexit or Tory/Labour debates into just about any topic.
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But it's ok for people to throw around accusations about Germany and the German Defense Minister without any evidence?

It absolutely does have things to do with the "Here and Now" It is entirely possible that had the west as a whole shown more resilience against taking dirty Russian money to further their own pockets / goals we may very well not be in this situation now.

I suspect the reason why it ends up being brought up in so many different topics is simply the fact that how our country is ran and who it is ran by has significant and far-reaching impact(s) across almost every area of modern life and current events.
 
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Grim5 said:
writing new history again, Putin claims many European countries helped Germany to invade Russia in WW2
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Technically he's not entirely wrong in what he says, but he is carefully wording it in order to twist the truth so far that it would blatantly misinform somebody with no knowledge of the event.

Germany were only supported by four other European nations in the siege of Leningrad so he's wrong about the "many", but there were soldiers from many more taking part, I suppose it depends on how you define "representatives" (or whatever Russian word he used that Yahoo! interpreted into representatives), like I said he's choosing his words carefully to avoid straight up lying but also to avoid painting a correct picture.

Shocking I know that Vlad would play loose and fast with the truth lol.
 
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Devilman said:
But it's ok for people to throw around accusations about Germany and the German Defense Minister without any evidence?

It absolutely does have things to do with the "Here and Now" It is entirely possible that had the west as a whole shown more resilience against taking dirty Russian money to further their own pockets / goals we may very well not be in this situation now.
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I've already said this is a wider issue than just Germany, I don't think they're alone in having some form of corruption or manipulation attempted by Russia, this seems common across a lot of the West.

But look at the support we've given as a country, comparatively I have no issue with how we've handled things.

If Germany was sending tanks and we were not, I would be happy to call out the UK for not doing enough yes. But this seems more the other way around to me at present if you're just talking about our two countries in isolation.
 
Many people seem to have rapidly forgotten how Germany were prior to the invasion.
They were probably only beaten by the Swiss (in Europe) in their resolution to not get involved in war, be that directly or indirectly via their home produced weaponry being used.

They have probably moved furthest out of all the nations who have given Ukraine support.

Its quite natural that the closer they get to providing basically everything that they may take a little longer than some of the more war "mongering nations", such as the UK, US and France.
 
bris said:
Yea Russia lost in Afghanistan but America lost in both Vietnam and Afganistan, along with us, we have no victory to celebrate their either. The Falklands is what victory looks like.
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Russia lost in nine years though, we managed to hold out for just shy of twenty years, we number one! :P
 
Poland's PM says German consent for Leopards is secondary to the issue and Poland will send Leopards to Ukraine whether Berlin gives permission or not

Whether they actually would follow through on such a threat or maybe it's just politics bluster

www.politico.eu

Poland ready to send tanks without Germany’s consent, PM says

‘We will either get this agreement quickly, or we will do the right thing ourselves,’ the Polish prime minister said.
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Grim5 said:
Moscow is already panicking about longer range weapons going to Ukraine

Various anti air system were seen getting installed today on top of buildings in Moscow
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I'm gonna keep a somewhat open mind on this as they've also been beefing up air defences along the Belarus/Polish border amongst other places - hopefully it is due to Ukraine likely being able to reach further but I wouldn't rule out some kind of escalation on Russia's part where they aren't sure of the reaction and/or anticipating a reaction.

EDIT: As one commentator on that Tweet said: "It fits with the “Russia is protecting itself from aggression” narrative if one is trying to justify conscription.", which would also follow if they were trying to manipulate Belarus into becoming actively involved.
 
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