Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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The Budapest Memorandum commits the UK, the US and Russia to respecting Ukraine's borders and not interfering with its politics through economic pressure (both of which Russia has obviously broken) but it only commits the states to:

Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".​

Which is not a legal obligation to defend Ukraine unless Russia brings nukes to the party. Which it won't.
You could equally say that unless all three are threatened there is no obligation, splitting hairs i'd say.
 
That depends - probably another country doing the deed. Why hit the revenue from Russia - unless the company is one of the only companies that doesn't buy Russian fossil fuels?

To make the German population think twice about supporting any "war". The cyber element, should a potential conflict start, is going to be very interesting to observe, perhaps more so than what happens on the ground.
 
To make the German population think twice about supporting any "war". The cyber element, should a potential conflict start, is going to be very interesting to observe, perhaps more so than what happens on the ground.

I wonder what happens if some of the major connections got disrupted especially cross-Atlantic - so much stuff these days relies on dedicated servers and other services spread out around the globe.
 

The first bit he is talking about is a huge problem with the more recent stuff - a lot of the movement of heavy equipment was verified as far as possible with multiple sources and video, etc. but a lot of the more recent stuff like medical/blood support, etc. is all circular reporting without a verifiable source.
 
So Boris doesn't think his lieing is an embarrassment for the UK https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2667540/

“I will talk to President Putin tomorrow,” Johnson said at a press conference after meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Johnson's conversation with the Russian leader was originally scheduled for January 31, but the British prime minister was too busy the day before: he had an extremely unpleasant conversation in Parliament about the scandal with parties at his residence, which were held in the midst of coronavirus restrictions in 2020 and 2021 . As British newspapers later wrote, London even asked the Kremlin to move the call from the scheduled 19:00 Moscow time to a later hour, but the Kremlin refused to wait.

Boris Johnson, commenting on reports that the call was cancelled, said he would talk to Vladimir Putin "as soon as he can."
 
I wonder what happens if some of the major connections got disrupted especially cross-Atlantic - so much stuff these days relies on dedicated servers and other services spread out around the globe.

The total **** will hit the fan because Instagram will go down.

But yes a massive threat and risk to this country.
 
Boris is an idiot toe-caps and russian mothers rhetoric - would Truss have put a muzzle on him - Churchilian pictures taken at MOD, gesture getting onto plane.
 
If Russia invade, would we instantly respond militarily or would we try diplomacy or tougher sanctions first!
Lets be real... We'd tell them how bad they were, sanctions on Putin and his cronies, and watch on as Ukraine burns... Then hope that conflict dosnt spread beyond Ukraine. NATO/US/UK dont have any political will, public support or financial ability to get involved in any serious conflict with Russia.
 
Lets be real... We'd tell them how bad they were, sanctions on Putin and his cronies, and watch on as Ukraine burns... Then hope that conflict dosnt spread beyond Ukraine. NATO/US/UK dont have any political will, public support or financial ability to get involved in any serious conflict with Russia.

What?
 
Our government are barely propping up our economy as it is with covid, cost of living and taxes are sky rocketing, add to that energy crisis if we go full on war, an armed forces that are barely scraping by as it is despite its funding, plus the horrendous cost of actually going to war... I honestly don't think our coffers are deep enough these days without getting ourselves into a disgusting deep pit of national debt.
 
Our government are barely propping up our economy as it is with covid, cost of living and taxes are sky rocketing, add to that energy crisis if we go full on war, an armed forces that are barely scraping by as it is despite its funding, plus the horrendous cost of actually going to war... I honestly don't think our coffers are deep enough these days without getting ourselves into a disgusting deep pit of national debt.

In a way you are right, the army in particular has moved away from mass armour peer on peer and moved to counter insurgency warfare.

Not investing and cutting the artillery, replacing challenger 2 with jackals and thier open top roll cages is just a LOL.
 
Not to mention all the problems with Ajax...

If we are going to poke Russia then it would be a good idea to make sure we have a decent standing military to back that up (even if conventional warfare is unlikely never mind the risks of escalating to nuclear). Otherwise it just looks like we are running our mouths and would be caught with our pants down if it came to conventional warfare.
 
In a way you are right, the army in particular has moved away from mass armour peer on peer and moved to counter insurgency warfare.

Not investing and cutting the artillery, replacing challenger 2 with jackals and thier open top roll cages is just a LOL.

It's funny - given the UK's arms industry is one of the best globally. At this rate we'll be fighting our own arms sold to other countries as they go to war against out interests.

Putin's army, when at the advertised numbers, is designed to send a signal of iron force strength. It doesn't need to be clever, just pure numbers in a Blitzkrieg - that one hopes would stop and not roll into other ex-russian countries.

Western tactics have been simply identify and target key points thus rendering the enemy forces ineffective then dropping bombs with air power.

I suspect that will be almost the same tactic that the Russians use:
1. Build up a mass force on the boarder - that's the threat and hope that things buckle psychologically.
2. identify and pinpoint key points - through cyberwarfare, insurgency and recon.
3. Attack key points - through cyber, then where needed through small teams and dropping munitions from the air but with less precision needed. This reduces the communications channels and reduces effectiveness.
4. Sweep up with a back force of armour - it doesn't need to be massive, however given the time to react by the west, Putin may use large amounts to simply speed the operation.

I don't think the west will advocate the attack/capture of Russian land elsewhere on the boarders unless russia goes full rolling Blitzkrieg, which they won't - unless China wants to attack Taiwan at that point.

Russia, although large, has the disadvantage of large borders - if it commits forces of people then that costs. Although he has gold reserves etc it's easier for him to weaken countries economically through their reliance on Russian fossil fuels with espionage and cyber being more direct means.

I do think that the EU countries and the UK have, in the last 20-40 years, been rather lapse in their long term understanding of Russia and China. However that's easy to say with hindsight.
 
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Our government are barely propping up our economy as it is with covid, cost of living and taxes are sky rocketing, add to that energy crisis if we go full on war, an armed forces that are barely scraping by as it is despite its funding, plus the horrendous cost of actually going to war... I honestly don't think our coffers are deep enough these days without getting ourselves into a disgusting deep pit of national debt.

If one of the biggest economy's in world can't afford to go to war then Russia certainty can't.

But yes, 100% against the cutting of our armed forces.
 
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