Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Wouldn't be shocked if having got European states to battle it out with Russia that the US decides to keep itself at a distance as it looks on in glee at another chance to leverage financial support.

They may deem that is all that is necessary on the US's part, as per Article 5.
 
alchal said:
In a way you are right, the army in particular has moved away from mass armour peer on peer and moved to counter insurgency warfare.
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To some extent, it was never forgotten, but massively put on the back burner. We rightly had to focus on counter insurgency, we were losing good men and women and it was our immediate threat due to the theatre's of operation we were in.
However the time between the end of HERRICK and the latest integrated review I feel has been wasted somewhat, spent to long finding ourselves again. I think we're on the right path now, but there are still gaps in capability due to ageing kit and awaiting replacement to come into service.

Meanwhile the likes of Russia and China have spent the last couple of decades reassessing, reinvesting and developing their forces and capabilities.
I think it's safe to say we are on the back foot, but we are now going in the right direction I think... Hope...
 
Seems to be a lot of helis and training aircraft out today - don't remember seeing as much activity normally. Don't believe there are any specific exercises on currently.

EDIT: Also interesting to see the tankers and F15s moving back over the Atlantic - they ain't half shifting it. Plus RAZOR012 Typhoon popped up back off QRA I'm guessing.
 
steve45 said:
To some extent, it was never forgotten, but massively put on the back burner. We rightly had to focus on counter insurgency, we were losing good men and women and it was our immediate threat due to the theatre's of operation we were in.
However the time between the end of HERRICK and the latest integrated review I feel has been wasted somewhat, spent to long finding ourselves again. I think we're on the right path now, but there are still gaps in capability due to ageing kit and awaiting replacement to come into service.

Meanwhile the likes of Russia and China have spent the last couple of decades reassessing, reinvesting and developing their forces and capabilities.
I think it's safe to say we are on the back foot, but we are now going in the right direction I think... Hope...
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I wish, we are upgrading just over 120 challengers so will be unable to sustain any kind of loses and not due until 2030's I believe! the Ajax is....well going nowhere fast and is a complete farce of the highest order especially when they had cv90 that was out there and the artillery still has bugger all

Only positive is that the army finally got some air defence to replace the aging rapier, think that's about it going forward t
 
alchal said:
I wish, we are upgrading just over 120 challengers so will be unable to sustain any kind of loses and not due until 2030's I believe! the Ajax is....well going nowhere fast and is a complete farce of the highest order especially when they had cv90 that was out there and the artillery still has bugger all

Only positive is that the army finally got some air defence to replace the aging rapier, think that's about it going forward t
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How you get an AFV/IFV vehicle so badly wrong is beyond me - though there is that whole thing with the Bradley heh.

On a serious note though it is the backbone of a force like our armed forces.
 
Not sure how much is related to Ukraine but from a somewhat nerdy perspective quite interesting seeing some of the military air traffic going on today. Not sure what the Typhoons are up to but interesting to see them popping up when they come up for refuelling then disappear again when back on task whatever it is. Lots of F15s active as well as a ton more training activity than I'm used to seeing.

Looks like a bit of submarine hunting going on as well or similar kind of monitoring.

(Also had to chuckle at the F15 wrongly ascribed, I assume, to private owner rather than US military)

On the Ukraine side seems some fairly serious mapping for counter-battery operations going on today at a guess from the air traffic.

EDIT: Also another guess but looking at some of the flights in and out of Crimea and Belarus it looks to me like higher ranking military officials and their staff are being moved forward.
 
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Rroff said:
How you get an AFV/IFV vehicle so badly wrong is beyond me
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Simple. We didn't design/build our own and, for reasons, went for the worst option from the Americans (albeit a UK subsidiary of). The CV90 platform would've been a far superior option, and I'm still perplexed at why we didn't opt for that. But when it comes to the MIC and procurement nothing surprises me.
 
Rroff said:
How you get an AFV/IFV vehicle so badly wrong is beyond me - though there is that whole thing with the Bradley heh.

On a serious note though it is the backbone of a force like our armed forces.
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Yeah I agree, I just don't get it. It's a key part of a modern military, you'd think any decent arms manufacturer (or even a non arms manufacturer) would be able to produce something half decent without any bother - I mean, it's hardly a new type of vehicle and doesn't really do anything radically different to previous generations... Certainly seems like sheer incompetence from the manufacturer, with poor MoD controls.

To top it off it's not that some fancy electronic networking system isn't working (which might be more expected) , it's the absolute basics that seem to have caused the biggest problems - having a vehicle with hull panels the same size on each chassis, which doesn't shake itself and its crew to bits every time it moves, and can climb its way over a medium sized curb.

Would love to see the procurement documents showing why the decision went the way it did, but if course there's no chance of that.
 
Rroff said:
How you get an AFV/IFV vehicle so badly wrong is beyond me - though there is that whole thing with the Bradley heh.

On a serious note though it is the backbone of a force like our armed forces.
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Ajax needs binning, but I doubt it will happen, will be god knows how late and so over budget we could have paid for a few more astutes.

The boxer program was a farce after all our input and investment only to cancel after it looked a winner, however at least we now have seen sense!
 
What, short of the attack itself, would warrant "drama" at this point? (If the mass of troops and supplies on the boarder doesn't)
 
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