Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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tang0 said:
This was from around 10 months ago, so he was saying sending armoured vehicles/troops would be a bad idea (WW3 article5 etc), and today they send tanks - albeit it without the tank crew. AFAIK they do already have some troops out there
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What a surprise you're on the side of not backing Ukraine with Western hardware :rolleyes: Your man called Putin a genius when he invaded so we know where the war would be now if Biden wasn't president. As others have pointed out he was talking about putting US personal on the battlefield. And the world can change a lot in 10 months. I'm sure nearly everyone in this thread wishes this had happened 3 or 4 months ago but at least its happening now. Politics isn't dictated by 1 country, even when that country is the US. It is about being united and that means moving slowly sometimes, slower than many wish but together.
 
Indeed and every single one behind NATO has prospered and moved forward. The people have been set free and more or less democracy has taken a good grip unlike your lovely CCCP spice girl wannabees.
 
sityeuropa said:
Certainly not, but I understand how you are so easily fed rubbish..

I urge you to watch this masterful oration as I have on Galloway going over to the U.S where the accusations were and him handing them their backsides.

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The same galloway who visits dictators like saddam and assad and praises them? lol hes a fascist dressed up as a socialist.

Deny it if you want, doesn't stop it being a fact and takes anyone about 1 minute to check.
 
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Minstadave said:
You need to watch your video again, he clearly says with American crews.
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You need to look at the context, he saying if the tanks they're sending has American crews that's word war three.

In other words they are not sending American crews, they are merely arms dealers to Ukrain, Just like iran, China, north korea etc are for Russia.

I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone that NATO will not send any troops into Ukraine.
 
Scougar said:
Please provide evidence to backup the claim where the west was aggressive to Russia.

Hell... Europe literally started to become DEPENDENT on them for energy lol.
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I haven’t made that claim…. So I’ll ignore your request and give you some useful information.

Threats are not necessarily aggressive.

There are several things about ‘The West’ that threaten what Russians believe Russia is. There’s a word for it in fact… westernisation.

It amazes me how ignorant and arrogant people in this thread are. It’s been laid out very clearly what this conflict is about and what led to its beginning. Putin is not an idiot and he has articulated his outlook in great depth.

Your point of view is subjective. Your frames of reference and perception are not universal.

Just to make it clear before nonsense ensues, this is not an advocation of any actions by Russia. I do not agree with this conflict. I just also took the time to understand why it started instead of pretending RUSSIANS BAD ME GOOD.
 
arctine said:
I haven’t made that claim…. So I’ll ignore your request and give you some useful information.

Threats are not necessarily aggressive.

There are several things about ‘The West’ that threaten what Russians believe Russia is. There’s a word for it in fact… westernisation.

It amazes me how ignorant and arrogant people in this thread are. It’s been laid out very clearly what this conflict is about and what led to its beginning. Putin is not an idiot and he has articulated his outlook in great depth.

Your point of view is subjective. Your frames of reference and perception are not universal.

Just to make it clear before nonsense ensues, this is not an advocation of any actions by Russia. I do not agree with this conflict. I just also took the time to understand why it started instead of pretending RUSSIANS BAD ME GOOD.
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Sometimes you have to move with the times though, you can't prevent progress any more than we (GB) could have held onto all the colonies we had around the world.

The world spins on and everything else with it.

Russia seems to have stalled itself in this backwards kleptomaniac dictatorship that prevents them succeeding when they should be doing much better with their vast size and natural resources. All of the wealth flows to the few at the top and the people just scrape by instead of excelling.

By merely existing the west shows them that it's possible to do better. We don't have it perfect but compared to the average Russian person, standard of living is much higher in most of the countries that left the old soviet ways behind.
 
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bris said:
You need to look at the context, he saying if the tanks they're sending has American crews that's word war three.

In other words they are not sending American crews, they are merely arms dealers to Ukrain, Just like iran, China, north korea etc are for Russia.

I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone that NATO will not send any troops into Ukraine.
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So why are you quoting Minstadave? :confused:
 
HungryHippos said:
Sometimes you have to move with the times though, you can't prevent progress any more than we (GB) could have held onto all the colonies we had around the world.

The world spins on and everything else with it.

Russia seems to have stalled itself in this backwards kleptomaniac dictatorship that prevents them succeeding when they should be doing much better with their vast size and natural resources. All of the wealth flows to the few at the top and the people just scrape by instead of excelling.
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I completely agree with you. I wish the majority of Russians did to, I just took the time to try to understand why they don’t. They want to maintain their identity as warped as it may seem to us. That identity is threatened by the West.
 
arctine said:
I completely agree with you. I wish the majority of Russians did to, I just took the time to try to understand why they don’t. They want to maintain their identity as warped as it may seem to us. That identity is threatened by the West.
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In the end though it doesn't really wind up mattering why they started it, understanding the thing doesn't make the stance a correct one to take.

Russia is just lashing out at the weakest thing it can get it's hands on in an attempt to remain relevant, unluckily for Ukraine that is them, because basically everything else bordering them is a much more difficult target to crack.

Annoyingly if they actually succeed it will not only undermine the West as a whole but it could have ramifications for global supply of some things, especially as Ukraine + Russia is a power house for things like Grain when combined.
 
arctine said:
It amazes me how ignorant and arrogant people in this thread are. It’s been laid out very clearly what this conflict is about and what led to its beginning. Putin is not an idiot and he has articulated his outlook in great depth.
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Please, if you could just nail down for us exactly which of Russia's claims are? You're going to have trouble here, because they keep changing to suit whatever motives they have. It's like they are the Daily Mail of Countries, maybe even contradicting themselves the same day.

Sounds like you got suckered into believing Russia's propaganda.

What does Russia want? Land, power and money. Those in charge don't give a **** about 'westernisation'. They just use it when it suits their needs. They want everything western whilst pretending not to. (Remember that Russian elites send their own children to be educated in western countries. Why do you think that is?

If you truly believe this started from what Russia is saying, frankly, you're a fool. Let me give you the example of Crimea. One of the things they want is the Sevastopol naval base for the black sea. This is ONE of the reasons Crimea holds such importance.
 
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HungryHippos said:
In the end though it doesn't really wind up mattering why they started it, understanding the thing doesn't make the stance a correct one to take.

Russia is just lashing out at the weakest thing it can get it's hands on in an attempt to remain relevant, unluckily for Ukraine that is them, because basically everything else bordering them is a much more difficult target to crack.

Annoyingly if they actually succeed it will not only undermine the West as a whole but it could have ramifications for global supply of some things, especially as Ukraine + Russia is a power house for things like Grain when combined.
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Well, now I disagree. I think it’s important to understand their motivation whether you believe their actions are justified or not. Someone evidently does think it’s justified and if we don’t attempt to understand why it would be even more difficult to predict their actions. It’s also incredibly naive to presume your point of view is correct if you haven’t taken the time to understand what the other point of view is.

The most worrying thing I see displayed is that people don’t believe their is any other point of view. That kind of ignorance is dangerous.

I also disagree that Russia is doing this in order to remain relevant. I think it’s much more complicated than that and you probably do too.
 
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