Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[alchal]

I guess it's the horseshoe theory, the extremes of right and left are closer together than they think, the common trait being they're into Authoritarian morons

Indeed, they are blurring into one big mess of conspiracy theories and hatred for anything.

 

[alchal]

Yes but what is reported on the news at the time

Assad using chemical weapons on his own people.

without any as it seems actual evidence.

You mean, like all the stuff you post all the time ?

 

[sityeuropa]

Oh OK, great timing on this new report.

OPCW Releases Third Report by Investigation and Identification Team

Reasonable grounds to identify Syrian Arab Air Forces as perpetrators of 2018 Douma chemical attack

www.opcw.org

I get it I really do.

 

[Sankari]

OPCW issues Fact-Finding Mission report on chemical weapons use allegation in Marea, Syria, in September 2015

Report concludes chemical blister agent was used as a weapon

www.opcw.org

Your claim was 'crisis actors, white helmets, constant false flag chemical attacks trying to frame Assad.'

I'm still waiting for evidence.

 

[sityeuropa]

Your claim was 'crisis actors, white helmets, constant false flag chemical attacks trying to frame Assad.'

I'm still waiting for evidence.

There is none now because the OPCW have a brand new investigation to disregard the previous investigation.

So Assad when knowingly chemical weapons would draw in Air Strikes to his country, actually used them (what a genius move eh). no logic to that whatsoever.

Great timing for this new report.

 

[Sankari]

Yes but what is reported on the news at the time

Assad using chemical weapons on his own people.

without any as it seems actual evidence.

The international chemical weapons watchdog has told the United Nations Security Council its experts investigated 77 allegations against Syria, and concluded in 17 cases chemical weapons were likely or definitely used.

Fernando Arias, head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), on Thursday called it “a disturbing reality” that eight years after Syria joined the chemical weapons convention, which bans the production or use of such weapons, many questions remain about its initial declaration of its weapons, stockpiles and precursors and its continuing programme.

He said the OPCW will be taking up a new issue at its next consultations with Syria – “the presence of a new chemical weapons agent found in samples collected in large storage containers in September 2020”.

...In April 2020, the OPCW investigators blamed three chemical attacks in 2017 on the Syrian government. The OPCW’s executive council responded by demanding that Syria provide details.

(Source).

THE HAGUE, Jan 27 (Reuters) - The global chemical weapons watchdog on Friday said a nearly two-year investigation had found that at least one Syrian military helicopter had dropped gas cylinders on to residential buildings in the rebel-held Syrian city of Douma in 2018, killing 43 people.

The April 7, 2018, attack on the outskirts of Damascus was part of a major military offensive that returned the area to the control of forces under Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after a prolonged Russian-backed siege against the rebel stronghold.

(Source).

 

[Nate75]

There is none now because the OPCW have a brand new investigation to disregard the previous investigation.

So Assad when knowingly chemical weapons would draw in Air Strikes to his country, actually used them (what a genius move eh). no logic to that whatsoever.

Great timing for this new report.

So you are saying the evidence has disappeared now?

 

[sityeuropa]

I remember the news at the time.

the build up.
"you know Syria have all these chemicals weapons, if he were to ever use them what would the response be", "this would be a red line".

1 week later....

Syria have used chemical weapons.

 

[Freakbro]

I remember the news at the time.

the build up.
"you know Syria have all these chemicals weapons, if he were to ever use them what would the response be", "this would be a red line".

1 week later....

Syria have used chemical weapons.

And? That's your evidence it was a false flag, crisis actors? That he used chemical weapons after being told not to?

 

[Grim5]

There were crisis actors and there were false flag chemical attacks. Go look it up.

You have probably never seen an Assad interview in your life as they never wanted to show him on mainstream tv as it wouldn't help the narrative.

Another case of we must act because of the absolute bs of intelligence the UK government have ie Sky and BBC news specials

It's illuminati boogeyman, his symbol is on the banknotes too, the globalists pray to him and he rewards them with alien technology like the F35 stealth fighter so they can subjugate the fascists and communists in the east. It's a real tragedy

 

[Sankari]

There is none now because the OPCW have a brand new investigation to disregard the previous investigation.

Are you forgetting the 2020 investigation, which found Assad had carried out chemical weapons attacks in 2017?

So Assad when knowingly chemical weapons would draw in Air Strikes to his country, actually used them (what a genius move eh). no logic to that whatsoever.

Firstly, he didn't know they would result in air strikes. Secondly, he had good reason to believe that they wouldn't, since he'd already used chemical weapons in 2017, and the West hadn't lifted a finger.

IIRC, the first Western attack on Syria was in 2018, to punish Assad for the Douma chemical attack in 2018. It was a combined missile/air strike, led by the US under Donald 'I Promise to Keep Us Out Of Foreign Wars' Trump.

 

[Freakbro]

Firstly, he didn't know they would result in air strikes. Secondly, he had good reason to believe that they wouldn't, since he'd already used chemical weapons in 2017, and the West hadn't lifted a finger..

Exactly, like Putin with Crimea (to try and drag this back to some thread relevance), we did nothing when he annexed that, which emboldened him to now try and take the rest as he thought we'd not do much there either.

 

[Griffo]

A guide to Russian propaganda. Part 2: Whataboutism | EUROMAIDAN PRESS

The Soviet propaganda tactic of whataboutism is alive and well in today's Russia. Find out how it works and what to do in our guide.

euromaidanpress.com

The basic mechanism is an attempt to use either the emotions of shame or anger to derail an argument. By accusing their opponents or even just their interlocutors of hypocrisy, propagandists hope to trigger the emotion of shame to blunt accusations or divert the conversation into a discussion about hypocrisy. If the counter-accusation the propagandist uses is absolutely ridiculous, as is often the case, then the propagandist is probably not trying to use shame, but rather use one’s anger to divert the conversation away from an important matter at hand and into a constant back-and-forth about some irrelevant piece of history

 

[Custor]

A guide to Russian propaganda. Part 2: Whataboutism | EUROMAIDAN PRESS

The Soviet propaganda tactic of whataboutism is alive and well in today's Russia. Find out how it works and what to do in our guide.

euromaidanpress.com

So anything previously happened in history is irrelevant?
Not able to compare and contrast?
Didn’t know that. Thanks for posting forum rules. It might be a legal document…. or it’s just another we’re right your wrong post. Anyone who disagrees with me in anyway is a propagandist.
It’s a forum.

 

[Stumble Bum]

I thought this was the Ukraine thread?

If you want to moan about 'The West' Iraq/Syria etc then go start a new thread on it.

 

[alchal]

So anything previously happened in history is irrelevant?
Not able to compare and contrast?
Didn’t know that. Thanks for posting forum rules. It might be a legal document…. or it’s just another we’re right your wrong post. Anyone who disagrees with me in anyway is a propagandist.
It’s a forum.

Russia = wrong, and those that support any notion that Ukraine or parts belong to Russia or that it's the fault of Ukraine/NATO.

It's not hard, unless you are brain-dead or a fan of genocide?

 

[The Funktopus]

And? That's your evidence it was a false flag, crisis actors? That he used chemical weapons after being told not to?

Reminds me of a Frankie Boyle sketch from ‘Scenes we’d like to see’ on an episode of Mock the Week.

“In summing up your honour, I have no evidence, but he does look a bit rapey doesn’t he?”

 

[SPG]

Just read that the IOC are allowing Russia back to into the Olympics (funny in Paris 2024) Our athletes need to grow some ***** and boycot or the IOC see sense and ban Russia. It's that simple (maybe a separate thread for that one)

 

[peterwalkley]

Just read that the IOC are allowing Russia back to into the Olympics. Our athletes need to grow some ***** and boycot or the IOC see sense and ban Russia. It's that simple (maybe a separate thread for that one)

I think that was only if they were competing as neutrals. It didn't work out last time though, there was (I think a swimmer) one who won a medal and then wore a Russian flag emblem on the podium. No matter how much you try and argue that sport should be free of politics, the reality is that Russia will ignore that completely and use it for propaganda. The athletes are stuffed: they either get "interviewed" when they get home, or their families get "interviewed" whilst they're competing.

 

[Begbie]

I think that was only if they were competing as neutrals. It didn't work out last time though, there was (I think a swimmer) one who won a medal and then wore a Russian flag emblem on the podium. No matter how much you try and argue that sport should be free of politics, the reality is that Russia will ignore that completely and use it for propaganda. The athletes are stuffed: they either get "interviewed" when they get home, or their families get "interviewed" whilst they're competing.

Also forgetting that these atheles might be nationalistic, and wanting to represent their country.

Just because a leader does wrong, doesn't remove someone's right to love their birthplace.