Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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sityeuropa said:
After Iraq, after Libya, after Syria, it kind of makes you suspicious on any Western foreign policy.

The Syria drum beat of war was unreal.
David Cameron was so close trying to get airstrikes over there and luckily our parliament stopped him. I don't think that would happen in todays parliament.

The crisis actors, white helmets.
The constant false flag chemical attacks trying to frame Assad.

I never forget how hard they tried to push intervention there and how all the mainstream tv channels were trying to force it.
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Yet you've not been able to refute the arguments from the last claims you made about NATO etc, you're now suddenly moving on to other topics.

Such predictable behaviour, we are not moths to be drawn to your flames.

Besides this is the Ukraine thread, so you're trying to take it off topic.
 
HungryHippos said:
Yet you've not been able to refute the arguments from the last claims you made about NATO etc, you're now suddenly moving on to other topics.

Such predictable behaviour, we are not moths to be drawn to your flames.

Besides this is the Ukraine thread, so you're trying to take it off topic.
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Indeed it's just smoke and mirrors tactics.
 
I reckon the feebles are using ChatGPT for their frag generation. But this is the Ukraine topic
 
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I'll leave you to it, go watch Assad interviews if this interests you. Get his words from his own mouth and judge if he is lying. Most people can read a liar and sense something is off.

There are hours of interviews on Youtube with various media leanings.
 
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I wonder if Putins private palace (super-expensive house estate) will survive the war he started.
 
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It doesn't interest me in the slightest, that's why I'm here and not in a Syria thread.

You've just gone off-topic a bunch, made a bunch of claims which got refuted, ignored any replies, and are now going on about Assad which has nothing to do with any of this.

I hope Russia is paying you well for the bs you post on their behalf by the way.
 
sityeuropa said:
I'll leave you to it, go watch Assad interviews if this interests you. Get his words from his own mouth and judge if he is lying. Most people can read a liar and sense something is off.

There are hours of interviews on Youtube with various media leanings.
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Wtf has assad got to do with the Ukraine invasion? :confused:
 
sityeuropa said:
I remember the news at the time.

the build up.
"you know Syria have all these chemicals weapons, if he were to ever use them what would the response be", "this would be a red line".

1 week later....

Syria have used chemical weapons.
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Your timeline is wrong. I'll fix it for you.


2012
Obama issues his 'red line' ultimatum: 'We have been very clear to the Assad regime, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilised. That would change my calculus.'


2013
Assad uses chemical weapons in a series of attacks in towns around Damascus, killing ~1,400 people. Obama says the red line has been crossed, and demands intervention: 'If we fail to act, the Assad regime will see no reason to stop using chemical weapons.'

But Congress refuses, so Obama backs down and hopes the Russians will sort it out.

The Russians broker a deal with Assad, who agrees to destroy his chemical weapons stockpile. This is explicit confirmation by Syria that she does indeed possess chemical weapons.


2014
OPCW confirms that they have supervised the destruction of sarin (581 tons) and mustard gas (19.8 tons) in Syria.


2016
A joint UN/OPCW investigation confirms that Syria used chlorine during chemical attacks in 2014, 2015, and 2016.


2017
Assad attacks rebel forces with a chemical agent in Khan Cheikhoun (UN and OPCW experts late conclude it was sarin). Trump attacks the Syrian military airbase at al-Chaayrate with 59 Tomahawk missiles, after giving the Russians advance warning.

He cites national security as his justification: 'It is in this vital national security interest of the United States to prevent and deter the spread and use of deadly chemical weapons.'

This attack is controversial because Trump acted unilaterally.


2018
Assad attacks Douma with chemical weapons. Acting on French intelligence (which confirms the attack and suggests Russian involvement) Emmanuel Macron says his own 'red line' has now been crossed. French forces join a British/American attack on Syrian chemical weapons facilities.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The whole promise never to expand eastwards has never been officially confirmed. The only mention was a quote from Mikal Gorbachev who claimed he had a verbal agreement for NATO to expand to include east Germany but would stop there.
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In fairness, even if NATO had promised in bad faith to never expand into the Warsaw pact or the USSR, that agreement would have been nullified when they ceased to exist :P
 
Freddie1980 said:
The whole promise never to expand eastwards has never been officially confirmed. The only mention was a quote from Mikal Gorbachev who claimed he had a verbal agreement for NATO to expand to include east Germany but would stop there.
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Gorbachev says there was no such agreement, but felt that it was against the spirit of the agreements they did make:

RBTH: One of the key issues that has arisen in connection with the events in Ukraine is NATO expansion into the East. Do you get the feeling that your Western partners lied to you when they were developing their future plans in Eastern Europe? Why didn’t you insist that the promises made to you – particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East – be legally encoded? I will quote Baker: “NATO will not move one inch further east.”

M.G.: The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.

Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled. The agreement on a final settlement with Germany said that no new military structures would be created in the eastern part of the country; no additional troops would be deployed; no weapons of mass destruction would be placed there. It has been observed all these years. So don’t portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West’s finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.

The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are being observed.​

Source.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The whole promise never to expand eastwards has never been officially confirmed. The only mention was a quote from Mikal Gorbachev who claimed he had a verbal agreement for NATO to expand to include east Germany but would stop there.
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It gets better: Gorbachev never even said that, and in fact flatly denied that any such offer was made, even verbally.

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