Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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CaptainRAVE said:
Cold War part 2, just with a seriously depleted Russia. Sadly for Ukraine it’s in the Wests interests to keep this going for as long as possible.
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I keep hearing how the west want to prolong this but I’m not sure they do.
I think they’d like to see it resolved asap but with a Ukrainian win, Russia not completely collapsing and not becoming directly involved. Last of which requires the slow ramp up of help to tip the scales for Ukraine and not a complete collapse or Russia lashing out and the west dragged in directly.

I don’t see how this being prolonged helps anyone. Except maybe some generals in Nato happy to see an adversary getting depleted. But generals don’t run countries (well, not decent ones).
Once this is over markets will be happier and economies will hopefully improve with energy prices becoming sensible again. No excuses for anyone being reliant on another country for energy again!
 
Washout said:
I keep hearing how the west want to prolong this but I’m not sure they do.
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There is far too much dragged decision making by military and governments, until shamed into doing something, for my liking. Does tend to lean towards a vested interest in letting Russia bleed even at the expense of Ukraine.

Though some of that might be complacency and a lack of willingness to get involved until forced to.

Quite frankly if it wasn't for the UK getting pro-actively involved, regardless of what the intentions are behind it, with training, the supply of NLAWs, etc. and being first to make substantial moves towards things like tanks the situation would be much grimmer and the misery in Ukraine far higher with Russia probably on the cusp of over-running most of the country by now.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Putin has met and worked with countless western leaders and I think he's on the whole manged to bluff his relationship making out that himself and Russia are strong but a friend of the west. The only leader I firmly belief he couldn’t predict was Trump who on one hand would glad hand people like Putin and then turn around and impose sanctions on countries like China. Had Trump been in power in 2022 I tend to think Putin would have delayed his planned invasion until the next Democrat president came along simply because Trump was that crazy and unpredictable.
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Too bad he waited for Biden, a notorious anti-Russia war hawk.

I really don't think it mattered as they would have known about Biden's very long history so should have concluded it would be a fairly bad time to do it whereas Trump was making a mess of NATO almost every other week.
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Putin has met and worked with countless western leaders and I think he's on the whole manged to bluff his relationship making out that himself and Russia are strong but a friend of the west. The only leader I firmly belief he couldn’t predict was Trump who on one hand would glad hand people like Putin and then turn around and impose sanctions on countries like China. Had Trump been in power in 2022 I tend to think Putin would have delayed his planned invasion until the next Democrat president came along simply because Trump was that crazy and unpredictable.
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Or he wasn't ready until 2022 and thought after Trump had weakened NATO and the Western alliance he could safely invade and they'd all crumble and there would be no serious support of Ukraine or sanctions on Russia. Trump has already told us what he would do, he'd stop support of Ukraine tomorrow and so they'd have no choice but to cave to all Russia's demands. That is Trump's plan for peace and if he had been in power in Feb 2022 he wouldn't have lifted a finger to help Ukraine, Congress might have forced through some aid but he wouldn't have been rallying world leaders to stand strong and stand with Ukraine, he'd stand with Putin.
 
Trump would have done whatever seemed in the moment to promote Trump the best - the only thing we can be sure of he'd make a mess of the situation. One of the reasons North Korea quietened down for a bit, until they started to get an understanding of him, as they weren't quite sure how much of a nutcase he might actually be or not.
 
Washout said:
I keep hearing how the west want to prolong this but I’m not sure they do.
I think they’d like to see it resolved asap but with a Ukrainian win, Russia not completely collapsing and not becoming directly involved. Last of which requires the slow ramp up of help to tip the scales for Ukraine and not a complete collapse or Russia lashing out and the west dragged in directly.

I don’t see how this being prolonged helps anyone. Except maybe some generals in Nato happy to see an adversary getting depleted. But generals don’t run countries (well, not decent ones).
Once this is over markets will be happier and economies will hopefully improve with energy prices becoming sensible again. No excuses for anyone being reliant on another country for energy again!
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"the west" as in "in the best interests" of the citizens of western democracies? Yeah, sure, get it over, with as least disruption as possible.

Who and what influences western governments? There's a lot of money to be made in arms sales and a lot of money is spent influencing that.

Also given what's gone on recently, nobody is complaining (or will be complaining) about ad-hoc defence spending. A lot of money is going to spent speculating and keeping this fire lit.
 
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alchal said:
Search for Ukraine combat footage it's in there.

Not sure I can post links to it.
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If its the drone footage of the aftermath that I think it is, You would probably be fine. There is no NSFW footage on it. No active strikes and no visible dead people, although looking at the aftermath it wouldn't take much imagination to think how many have perished in that strike. Thats a hell of a lot of destruction. Clearly an established Gun position. The guns are still deployed ready to fire... Well, they were ready to fire... Guess nobody taught Russia Shoot and Scoot tactics... Always got to assume that your adversary has counter battery capability...
 
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inogen said:
"the west" as in "in the best interests" of the citizens of western democracies? Yeah, sure, get it over, with as least disruption as possible.

Who and what influences western governments? There's a lot of money to be made in arms sales and a lot of money is spent influencing that.

Also given what's gone on recently, nobody is complaining (or will be complaining) about ad-hoc defence spending. A lot of money is going to spent speculating and keeping this fire lit.
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Ultimately voters influence them, at least in Europe. And I’m still inclined to see it my way than think there’s some shadowy cabal whispering in the ears of all the countries sending weapons, and it’s a decent list, to prolong this for the benefit of arms manufacturers.
No doubt they are making hay but when haven’t they? Economies are taking a beating and you don’t stay in power for long going down that road.

No, I think they are just walking the tightrope of giving enough aid for Ukraine to win this without direct confrontation with a nuclear power.
Change of leadership in Russia would be a great outcome, assuming they end the war, and there isn’t a complete collapse which would also be a disaster.
 
The final video of that combat footage series was released 2 days ago vs the BMP for those interested. Just a heads up the ending isnt good.
 
kindai said:
The final video of that combat footage series was released 2 days ago vs the BMP for those interested. Just a heads up the ending isnt good.
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Doesn't really show much other than one blurred out photo but the ending was not good and kind of predictable unfortunately in a way, with the way the communications were especially.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Cold War part 2, just with a seriously depleted Russia. Sadly for Ukraine it’s in the Wests interests to keep this going for as long as possible.
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The West (with the exception of the US) has been slowly reducing its armed forces across Europe for decades. The US has other commitments elsewhere.
Its Russians actions that reversed this, no one else. Putin has basically reversed all that and caused most of Europe to rapidly re-arm, and pushed countries into NATO.
Its Putin's threats that have caused limited support for Ukraine, and dragged this out.
 
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