Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Interesting insight into Putin and his dealings with American presidents over his time in charge.

So Russia didn't invade Ukraine then? Basically that what she's saying but if Russia weren't in Ukraine there would be no war to fight.

The logic of these idiots is astounding
 
Where does she say that?
She didn't per say, so your right, but she does say the the battle is Russia v USA and NATO according to Putin

because he cant handle the Fact Ukraine can give him such a beating.

So Putin is saying it but he's forgetting he invaded Ukraine in the first place, its not her logic i'm talking about, its the Russians who say they are fighting NATO.
 
She didn't per say, so your right, but she does say the the battle is Russia v USA and NATO according to Putin

because he cant handle the Fact Ukraine can give him such a beating.

So Putin is saying it but he's forgetting he invaded Ukraine in the first place, its not her logic i'm talking about, its the Russians who say they are fighting NATO.
When it’s ONLY Russia versus Ukraine who stand alone?
 
It looks silly, but in fairness we would do the exact same thing. There were numerous instances of desert camo netting being used in Afghanistan even in grassy areas because that was what the troops had and setting it up properly was seen as better than skipping the useless net. Most likely the Russian's don't have any "roof camo" in stock :P so did the same thing.

 
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Does anyone have any idea to the validity to Peter Zeihans expertise?
I've just watched his interview with Joe Rogan - episode 1921... (Yes I Know... :rolleyes: ). He puts a seriously dire outlook on the side of Russia and China in the future. Yes there are huge caveats. However, he does present some interesting arguments. Interested to know what the general consensus is on his viewpoint, how reliable is his intel, is he a random kook, or reliable source?

He is a educated idiot, mostly his own view designed for controversy. As for Rogan going downhill rather quickly his guests are quite tedious these days.
 
Fair enough! I guess its another case of saying something with enough authority and confidence and people will believe you.
 
She didn't per say, so your right, but she does say the the battle is Russia v USA and NATO according to Putin

because he cant handle the Fact Ukraine can give him such a beating.

So Putin is saying it but he's forgetting he invaded Ukraine in the first place, its not her logic i'm talking about, its the Russians who say they are fighting NATO.
Since the start of the war they were painting this picture that they are fighting the NATO for their audience. They cannot acknowledge the humiliation of their armed forces as they always portrayed it the 2nd best(from the back) in the world. Since their audience is inept to think simple things and anything goes what's on the telly.
 
A modified dedicated training vehicle? That is amazing.

If you are around Bovington you can sometime see them be driven around on the roads around the Tank Museum. I was unlucky enough to get stuck behind one last year.

I guess it is cheaper and safer to have a dedicated training vehicle that have an instructor and spotter up top whilst the trainee driver gets the view they would have when driving the actual tank.
 
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Something that bares mentioning with all the talk of incoming western tanks, is that while the influx of western tanks will be good for Ukraine, it's mostly the numbers that are going to help not the specific tanks. The media seem to be playing this up like Leopards/Challengers are going to show up and start winning 1v5 battles with Russian tanks or just roll over the battleground with everything the Russians fire at them bouncing off, both of these are complete fallacies. Yes we are sending good tanks but they're not amazingly better than the good Ukrainian or Russian tanks already fighting (at least when those Russian tanks actually have their equipment attached and not looted anyway).

One of the big advantages that Ukraine have had thus far on the tank front is that both sides in this battle have been using modernised Soviet era tank designs, but in the runup to the war the west spammed Ukraine with NATO anti-tank weapons that were designed specifically to kill Soviet tank designs. It's like two armies fielding squads of supermen but one side has given their regular troops some kryptonite bullets.

Obviously the flip side to this is also true and Russia possesses a lot of weapons specifically designed to work against NATO designs which they haven't been able to utilize properly yet as they simply don't work as well on Soviet spec targets, time will tell how well they actually work but it is something worth thinking about as nobody really seems to be mentioning it. I.E There was a cool video the other year of a Ukrainian T-84 getting hit by a Kornet-M and surviving, that missile would arguably have scrapped a Leopard/Challenger.
 
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Something that bares mentioning with all the talk of incoming western tanks, is that while the influx of western tanks will be good for Ukraine, it's mostly the numbers that are going to help not the specific tanks. The media seem to be playing this up like Leopards/Challengers are going to show up and start winning 1v5 battles with Russian tanks or just roll over the battleground with everything the Russians fire at them bouncing off, both of these are complete fallacies. Yes we are sending good tanks but they're not amazingly better than the good Ukrainian or Russian tanks already fighting (at least when those Russian tanks actually have their equipment attached and not looted anyway).
I agree that volume would most definitely be better for Ukraine at the moment. However, with modern Western tanks, if used correctly, engagement ranges can be pushed beyond what the old T72's T62's will be able to reach. They should also be able to see further and better with improved optics, and acquire and prosecute targets faster with the better fire control systems. The equipment will most definitely still make a big difference for Ukraine.
 
Something that bares mentioning with all the talk of incoming western tanks, is that while the influx of western tanks will be good for Ukraine, it's mostly the numbers that are going to help not the specific tanks. The media seem to be playing this up like Leopards/Challengers are going to show up and start winning 1v5 battles with Russian tanks or just roll over the battleground with everything the Russians fire at them bouncing off, both of these are complete fallacies. Yes we are sending good tanks but they're not amazingly better than the good Ukrainian or Russian tanks already fighting (at least when those Russian tanks actually have their equipment attached and not looted anyway).

One of the big advantages that Ukraine have had thus far on the tank front is that both sides in this battle have been using modernised Soviet era tank designs, but in the runup to the war the west spammed Ukraine with NATO anti-tank weapons that were designed specifically to kill Soviet tank designs. It's like two armies fielding squads of supermen but one side has given their regular troops some kryptonite bullets.

Obviously the flip side to this is also true and Russia possesses a lot of weapons specifically designed to work against NATO designs which they haven't been able to utilize properly yet as they simply don't work as well on Soviet spec targets, time will tell how well they actually work but it is something worth thinking about as nobody really seems to be mentioning it. I.E There was a cool video the other year of a Ukrainian T-84 getting hit by a Kornet-M and surviving, that missile would arguably have scrapped a Leopard/Challenger.
I don't think tank on tank is how they're used predominantly. NLAWS/Stugnas and Javs are fine for taking out armour. They'll be used in combined arms assaults supporting infantry, taking out fortified positions and entrenched infantry more than armour I'd expect.
 
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