Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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So, how does this work? Do they shout across at each other, text or write what they want to say and then throw paper aeroplanes at each other?

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I see the Russian/Chinese alliance is at work, we now have China agreeing with Argentina over thier claim regarding the Falklands, nothing to do with the big contract they just signed up to...

In return Argentina also side with China in their claim of Taiwan. That's pitching Argentina against the US. So basically China and Russia are attempting to create a global destabilisation.

If it's anything like the Belt and Road, some countrie such as Turkey have found that as soon as they asked China to cough up the money they agreed as part of the agreement, that money is oddly becomes distant and never materialises. Hence Turkey has projects 1/2 funded. I suspect the same will occur with commercial agreements - china will obtain their objectives before the surprise of it being a one sided deal.
 
In return Argentina also side with China in their claim of Taiwan. That's pitching Argentina against the US. So basically China and Russia are attempting to create a global destabilisation.

If it's anything like the Belt and Road, some countrie such as Turkey have found that as soon as they asked China to cough up the money they agreed as part of the agreement, that money is oddly becomes distant and never materialises. Hence Turkey has projects 1/2 funded. I suspect the same will occur with commercial agreements - china will obtain their objectives before the surprise of it being a one sided deal.

As has found some countries like Montenegro and others in that region with half-built bridges and huge infrastructure projects they are now massively in dept on.
 
I can't remember where I read them, but I remember seeing a series of letters and correspondence a while back, which became a bit of a meme, about doing business with China. This one concerned the steel industry and it was seriously eye-opening. Not only were they shady as **** when it came to payments, but the quality of the product was absolutely shocking, tolerances not adhered to, metal content all over the shop etc. etc. Then you have the numerous reports and videos of the shoddy levels of construction in China too. Why anyone would trust China with major infrastructure projects is beyond me. But hey, if you're a corrupt third world country with a broken economy then I guess you have to go with what you can get.
 
Daily Fail has a former Russian general (sacked by Putin years ago) writing a letter in opposition, this guy is a nationalist and leads a group of nationalist former Russian officers, he sees through the BS, this isn't about a threat from NATO it's about control and influence over Ukraine:

The All-Russian Officers' Assembly is an independent group established in 2003 discusses the role of the Russian military in the state, and is considered a retirement home for former officers with often nationalist views.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...T-invade-Ukraine-accuses-criminal-policy.html
As for external threats, they are certainly present. But, according to our expert assessment, they are not currently critical, directly threatening the existence of Russian statehood, its vital interests. On the whole, strategic stability is maintained, nuclear weapons are under reliable control, NATO forces are not building up, and they are not showing threatening activity.

Therefore, the situation that is being whipped up around Ukraine is, first of all, artificial, mercenary in nature for some internal forces, including the Russian Federation. As a result of the collapse of the USSR, in which Russia (Yeltsin) took a decisive part, Ukraine became an independent state, a member of the UN, and in accordance with Art. 51 of the UN Charter has the right to individual and collective defence.

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The question arises: what are the true goals of provoking tension on the brink of war, and the possible unleashing of large-scale hostilities? And that there will be, says the number and combat composition of the groupings of troops formed by the parties - no less than one hundred thousand servicemen from each side. Russia, exposing the eastern borders, is transferring formations to the borders of Ukraine.

In our opinion, the country's leadership, realizing that it is not capable of leading the country out of the systemic crisis, and this can lead to an uprising of the people and a change of power in the country, with the support of the oligarchy, corrupt officials, lured media and security forces, decided to activate the political line for the final destruction Russian statehood and the extermination of the indigenous population of the country.

And war is the means that will solve this problem in order to retain its anti-national power for a while and preserve the wealth stolen from the people. We cannot suggest any other explanation.

I think some of that latter part has been a bit jumbled in translation but at least some in Russia can see this for what it is, Putin isn't acting out of any genuine security concerns re: NATO, he's got internal concerns within Russia and a desire not to let Ukraine align with the West's sphere of influence.
 
I get the feeling Macron isn't really approaching this for the right reasons - more out of vanity than concern for what happens with Ukraine and Putin has buttered him up a bit - I wouldn't be surprised if it has no relevance as to what happens next.

Someone has too much time on their hands:

 
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when harryboris meets macron , the bit we see they are not exactly looking into one anothers eyes, and the addage keep your friends close but your enemies closest come to mind; despite the 2million downing street refit could boris sit that far away , he might not catch covid, too,

but if Macron's trying to restore some integrity of the eu contribution to NATO (no additional money though?) that's meritable,
meanwhile boris making noise about further empty sanctions (I think you'd get full cross house backing boris - if you create some legislation)
 
I get the feeling Macron isn't really approaching this for the right reasons - more out of vanity than concern for what happens with Ukraine and Putin has buttered him up a bit - I wouldn't be surprised if it has no relevance as to what happens next.

Currently the French (Macron) are serving in their EU council presidency time - it rotates every 6 months.

The German chancellor is simply going to try to solve the pipeline issue. On the one hand the US is threatening action against the pipeline (which isn't theirs) as a retaliation.

The French are P8888ed off at NATO for not supporting them in the med against Turkey's alleged illegal transport of arms to African states (Libya etc). The Turkish ships are in convoy with Turkish military escorts who have previously escalated to the point of using radar to range find their guns on French military ships attempting to maintain the UN restrictions.
 
The German chancellor is simply going to try to solve the pipeline issue. On the one hand the US is threatening action against the pipeline (which isn't theirs) as a retaliation. …Snip.

I did wonder why the US has such a beef about a pipeline between two independent nations. Apart from economic ‘warfare’.
Why they think they even have a say? Did they bankroll it?
 
I keep reading that we are inching closer to war.
I wonder what it will look like.

Feel for the people there. Stuck in a power play for influence on the world stage.

With how little the EU are pushing makes me wonder if Europe is aligning more with Russia as time goes on. Russia could probably invade with what seems like very little Western resistance.

I find this whole situation a bit confusing. Especially Western unity. There seems to be none.
 
I did wonder why the US has such a beef about a pipeline between two independent nations. Apart from economic ‘warfare’.
Why they think they even have a say? Did they bankroll it?

I would think it was more to do with the concern that once both pipelines were online, the pipes under Ukraine are no longer required and it's once less reason for Russia not to invade.
 
I can't remember where I read them, but I remember seeing a series of letters and correspondence a while back, which became a bit of a meme, about doing business with China. This one concerned the steel industry and it was seriously eye-opening. Not only were they shady as **** when it came to payments, but the quality of the product was absolutely shocking, tolerances not adhered to, metal content all over the shop etc. etc. Then you have the numerous reports and videos of the shoddy levels of construction in China too. Why anyone would trust China with major infrastructure projects is beyond me. But hey, if you're a corrupt third world country with a broken economy then I guess you have to go with what you can get.

A lot of the work we do the customers stipulate we must not touch Chinese steel especially in the nuclear industry and the like.

I did wonder why the US has such a beef about a pipeline between two independent nations. Apart from economic ‘warfare’.
Why they think they even have a say? Did they bankroll it?

No but when one of them states is governed by a mad man hell bent on empire building then building a pipeline to said country and depending on them makes you extremely easy to manipulate, as we are already seeing.
 
See Boris is now defending Europe and NATO. Lets conflate the two enough times and people will think that the Ukraine is in NATO.
A bit like Saddam and 9/11.
 
I see no issue myself with Ukraine effectively being a neutral zone.
No nato. No Russia.

Surely that's better than war?

However putin probably just wants to annex it no matter what.
 
I keep reading that we are inching closer to war.
I wonder what it will look like.

Feel for the people there. Stuck in a power play for influence on the world stage.

With how little the EU are pushing makes me wonder if Europe is aligning more with Russia as time goes on. Russia could probably invade with what seems like very little Western resistance.

I find this whole situation a bit confusing. Especially Western unity. There seems to be none.
We are not inching closing to war, unless by 'we' you mean Russia and Ukraine
 
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