Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
I have no support for giving away our Fighter Jets, they're so expensive and we just don't have many as it is. The US is vastly more equipped to do this by providing F-16's if they want.
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Fighter jets are war machines, when you look at it sensibly our only enemy that could threaten us is Russia.

The Ukrainians will technically be doing us a favour the will be used against the common enemy without any British pilots being put in danger.

They are going to be doing what they were designed for.
 
Washout said:
I think it’s all a bit peculiar too. At the start he was very pro Ukraine. Even had meetings with Zelensky talking about what his companies can do for them post war and making sure a supply of terminals got in.
Then suddenly the narrative changed to not escalating, parroting the Kremlin lines of nuclear war.
Then goes and buys Twitter and since keeps retweeting stuff the Kremlin would be happy to see spread with just an ‘interesting’ as a comment. Even some stuff that was outright disinformation, which as the owner of the worlds biggest social media provider is not great.
Also seems to be increasingly appealing to the maga crowd with anti woke tweets or commenting ‘alarming’ on immigration posts etc. stuff that he never really commented on before.

All very peculiar…
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I always wondered if its related to how much he has invested in Starlink satellites. Russia very much have the ability to take some out and cause a cascade with the debris. I doubt its related to previous dealing with russian engines in the early years of SpaceX. Unless Russia has some really juicy dirt on him? That said I reckon its more to do with his more recent political/social leanings. He seems to be going off the rails a bit. Or as has been mentioned earlier "red pilled" :rolleyes: Just frustratingly unpredictable. But yeah, its a shame. I've always been a big fan of Elon and what he has achieved with SpaceX.
 
Roar87 said:
To continue on from this, where are we actually drawing the line? There doesn't seem to be a limit to the equipment we're willing to provide, after we provide Jets are we going to provide nuclear weapons to allow Ukraine to defend itself? I think providing small arms and equipment is fine, but we're currently just operating on blind optimism as if a war with Russia is impossible. Before World War 1 everyone thought a war of that magnitude was impossible because of how vast both armies were, before World War 2 no one thought Hitler was capable of storming Paris in 3 weeks and kicking our Army out of continental Europe. Everyone seems to be blind to the possibility of a nuclear war and it is ******* mind boggling stupid considering the consequences.
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Bottom line is our gear could stop Putin's aggression so our young men don't need to.
 
alchal said:
Strange timing from Elon, just in time for when everyone is predicting Russia is about to launch a big push....
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Elon could very well be and probably is trying to gain a foothold is the Russian space program,

It's logical that he would want to develop ties anywhere there is a space program which is pretty much limited.

Problem is he's doing it at great cost to Ukraine

Ukraine will not take to kindly to Musk though with his yes you can have it no on a whim, he's playing a dangerous game.
 
bris said:
Just look out for hordes of MAGA morons at the Airports
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The question was that caused his comment, "Why was prison recruitment stopped?". He replied that it was stopped because 10 million US Citizens applied to Wagner. I mean... obviously has nothing to do with prisoners not wanting to join Wagner because they are all getting ******* killed. lol.

 
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Roar87 said:
To continue on from this, where are we actually drawing the line? There doesn't seem to be a limit to the equipment we're willing to provide, after we provide Jets are we going to provide nuclear weapons to allow Ukraine to defend itself? I think providing small arms and equipment is fine, but we're currently just operating on blind optimism as if a war with Russia is impossible. Before World War 1 everyone thought a war of that magnitude was impossible because of how vast both armies were, before World War 2 no one thought Hitler was capable of storming Paris in 3 weeks and kicking our Army out of continental Europe. Everyone seems to be blind to the possibility of a nuclear war and it is ******* mind boggling stupid considering the consequences.
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We damned either way, but ensuring Ukraine doesn’t lose seems like a far less risky approach than the alternatives.

If you follow the course of inaction, or inadequate action through to its logical conclusion then the result is a very dangerous and emboldened autocratic, with clear expansionist ambitions and very little regard for boarders or international law right on NATOs doorstep. And he will be better armed the second time around.

And he will continue to play games (interfering in western politics and stirring tension in neighbouring countries) like never before.

We are now committed beyond the point of return imo.

Nukes aren’t much use to Ukraine now that the Russias are already there. But anything else goes imo, providing it’s not the sort of tech you’d don’t want to let fall into enemy hands.

Most people think we should have faced up to Putin earlier. In 2-3 years time, earlier is now.
 
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Personally I don't believe we should be stripping away any of our own active RAF jets to send to Ukraine (Eurofighter / F-35), the UK military is threadbare enough as it is and its not as if there's anything coming soon to replace them.
If jets are to be supplied then it would make more sense to handover F16's when there are a fair amount of them available, particularly in Holland and Poland who have both appeared keen to hand them to Ukraine, I believe the US are reluctant but they must have even more of them in storage!!
 
bris said:
Fighter jets are war machines, when you look at it sensibly our only enemy that could threaten us is Russia.

The Ukrainians will technically be doing us a favour the will be used against the common enemy without any British pilots being put in danger.

They are going to be doing what they were designed for.
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A few years ago people were saying we had no enemies and we should disarm our nuclear weapons because we were just fighting terrorists in the desert, we don't know who our future enemy will be
 
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chrismscotland said:
Personally I don't believe we should be stripping away any of our own active RAF jets to send to Ukraine (Eurofighter / F-35), the UK military is threadbare enough as it is
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Whilst I agree in principle, we certainly should not be leaving ourselves in a vurnerable position. The first tranche is due for retirement in the next couple of years, and I dont see any huge issue with the acceleration of that timeline. Especially if it could be put to good use by an ally who is in desperate need to defend itself.
 
Roar87 said:
A few years ago people were saying we had no enemies and we should disarm our nuclear weapons because we were just fighting terrorists in the desert
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Everyone had this mindset. Many western countries decided to strip down their military because its not needed to fight a few jihadis running around with guns

The Americans didn't really downsize but they did change the types of weapons they produced - focusing more on high quality precision in limited quantities rather than high quantity weapons and ammunition
 
Zoka panicking again :D





The ukranian weapons tracker Twitter has visual confirmation of dozens of lost Russian vehicles, their stupid convoys were eaten up by artillery
 
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Grim5 said:
Everyone had this mindset. Many western countries decided to strip down their military because its not needed to fight a few jihadis running around with guns

The Americans didn't really downsize but they did change the types of weapons they produced - focusing more on high quality precision in limited quantities rather than high quantity weapons and ammunition
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Yeah my point is that it may seem now like our only potential enemy is Russia, but we actually don't know that will be the case.
 
martynr said:
Some interesting points from Mr. John Bolton. Trump cultist won't like it.
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That whole series of videos on Putin and the Presidents was really interesting viewing. Bolton's was the most damning of Trump but all of them confirm Putin thought he was an idiot who was easy to manipulate and was doing Putin's work for him in regards to weakening NATO bonds.
 
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