Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Colonel_Klinck said:
Elon not wanting to upset Putin. What is it with him? Does Putin have something over him? Is he hoping to do business with Russia in the future? Its a war zone and Ukraine is fighting for its very existence. The sooner another Starlink alternative is up the better.

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What. The. Actual. **** ?!?!? This is one of the things that actually helps Ukraine take less casualties.
 
GreatAuk said:
CAS doesn't mean that no one's allowed to shoot at you. Aircraft doing CAS have been proved quite vulnerable in this war so far haven't they?


Which isn't great really considering that Iraq's Gulf War Air defence systems were mostly pretty old even back then, despite being numerous. Also the A10s stopped being used in high threat areas because they were proved to be vulnerable to short range Sam's. And the Taliban didn't really have a very advanced air defence system.

And Tucanos seem like they will be a lot more vulnerable than A10s surely?
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No is the simply answer. The longer version, please see Perun and his Anti Air video linked about 450 pages back
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Elon not wanting to upset Putin. What is it with him? Does Putin have something over him? Is he hoping to do business with Russia in the future? Its a war zone and Ukraine is fighting for its very existence. The sooner another Starlink alternative is up the better.

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**** Elon this comes directly from his personal idiotic beliefs on the situation.

He knows how much Ukraine needs it, it has been vital to their success and they want to curtail that now?

It’s no different than the ******* peaceniks that pop up every day thst scream what about all the Ukrainian lives, peace peace peace, no escalaterino, completely discounting if we just didn’t help Ukraine would have been over run.

They will always avoid saying what they actually mean.

Pathetic, I used to love Elon when he genuinely stayed in his lane and stuck to what he was good at but he’s just made it so hard to appreciate anything he’s involved in over the last few years.

I just hope spaceX can survive his ego.
 
Harlequin said:
No is the simply answer. The longer version, please see Perun and his Anti Air video linked about 450 pages back
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I did watch that video a while ago and my main memory was that Russia was doing OK in air defence attrition, and that helicopters & jets in both sides were limited to very low altitude flying near the front, to avoid longer range missiles & radar. But even doing that there is a lot of short range AA on both sides, making it very risky. Basically both sides had failed to destroy enemy air defences so most air operations are quite risky.

Then there's other threats for Ukraine like the Russian super long ranged air launched AA missiles with airborne radar, which might spot planes & shoot at them a long time before ground systems could.

Stuff like the Bayraktar were only effective when Russian air defences were in dissaray.

Then the video about helicopters was noting that both sides had become quite cautious with helicopters (which the tucano might be comparable to in some ways) due to the proliferation of MANPADS on both sides & longer range air defence getting a bit more organised, which was why they were doing stuff like pitch-up rocket attacks.

Might be missing some bits out?
 
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Harlequin said:
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A-10 jet engine nacelle damaged by missile in Iraq on display at Air Zoo

By Anthony Smigiel Kalamazoo Gazette Published: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 5:34 PM; Updated: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 5:37 PM An engi...
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A10`s can take direct hits from missiles.....
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They are quite literally flying tanks :D

I think the most heavily damaged one that still returned home had only 1 functioning engine and a significant section of one wing missing :eek: :eek: (It may even be the one in your clip, not had time to watch it yet)
 
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Rroff said:
Same - I'm saddened to see the path he is increasingly going down - I used to think he had a much wider perspective on the bigger issues than most people.
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I hate it when people get so blinded by far right stuff that they can't see that what they are doing isn't actually aligned with rights/freedom/democracy. (EDIT: To be clear here, I'm talking about the people that say Russia is 'anti-globalist' etc. Frankly, they are complete idiots, or so far up there own butts, they can't see Russian gov for what it is).
 
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Puzzled said:
Interesting discussion on Peston that while the UK should support Ukraine in securing jets we couldn't really send anything as its too complicated and requires extensive training. The F16 was seen as the viable option due to being similar to what they already fly but we don't have any of those so perhaps all we will really do is put a bit of pressure on European countries to supply them.
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We should just pay for F16s (which are going to be retired by other NATO countries) to be sent to Ukraine.

It seems to me that we might be missing a trick here. I mean we have Challenger 2s which need upgrading to Challenger 3s by RheinMetal in Germany (because BAE bought the factories which made them here and closed them). We are in a situation where we are going to have an ever decreasing number of viable MBTs, as a smaller number are upgraded to C3 and then an even smaller number of those are eventually upgraded to C4, presumably in German factories.

Wouldn't it be better to do a deal with the yanks, whereby we send the Ukrainians all our Challenger 2 tanks, all their spare parts and all the ammunition we can scrape together for the foreseeable future for their non-NATO standard (rifled) main gun and in exchange the US gives us an equal number of the latest M1A2 Abrams MBTs? (If they won't go for that we could offer to pay them a zero interest balancing payment within, say, 10 years.)

That way we get a world-leading tank design which is fully compatible with other NATO forces. I mean for the last 40 years we have only fought with tanks alongside the USA/NATO anyway, so it's not like it isn't in their interests to make sure we have all the spare parts we need for them. I would trust the USA to keep us properly supplied much more than the Germans, especially in a World War 3 scenario where Germany would be on the front line!
 
Maple Leaf said:
We should just pay for F16s (which are going to be retired by other NATO countries) to be sent to Ukraine.

It seems to me that we might be missing a trick here. I mean we have Challenger 2s which need upgrading to Challenger 3s by RheinMetal in Germany (because BAE bought the factories which made them here and closed them). We are in a situation where we are going to have an ever decreasing number of viable MBTs, as a smaller number are upgraded to C3 and then an even smaller number of those are eventually upgraded to C4, presumably in German factories.

Wouldn't it be better to do a deal with the yanks, whereby we send the Ukrainians all our Challenger 2 tanks, all their spare parts and all the ammunition we can scrape together for the foreseeable future for their non-NATO standard (rifled) main gun and in exchange the US gives us an equal number of the latest M1A2 Abrams MBTs? (If they won't go for that we could offer to pay them a zero interest balancing payment within, say, 10 years.)

That way we get a world-leading tank design which is fully compatible with other NATO forces. I mean for the last 40 years we have only fought with tanks alongside the USA/NATO anyway, so it's not like it isn't in their interests to make sure we have all the spare parts we need for them. I would trust the USA to keep us properly supplied much more than the Germans, especially in a World War 3 scenario where Germany would be on the front line!
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Personally don't think we should be becoming more and more dependant on other countries for our defence needs.
 
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