Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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What they need to do to get the EU more fully on side is send them some suitcases of cash, like Qatar has proven to be the way to their "heart". Another series of arrests i believe occurred recently. I am not sure the EU is smelling much rosier than Russia at the moment.

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Qatargate: Corruption scandal widens with more EU lawmakers in frame

Maria Arena and Alessandra Moretti are mentioned in arrest warrant for another MEP, Andrea Cozzolino.
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EU fans seem remarkably quiet about this widespread abject corruption, which is surprising given their apparent abhorrence of it in other quarters.
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Remarkably quiet that the institutions are doing their job? Didn't you like Putin's Russia? That famously uncorrupt place?
 
ubersonic said:
Technically that war ended with a negotiated settlement too, Hitler was the reason it hadn't happened sooner and his suicide allowed his replacement to negotiate surrender.
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Nope, there was an unconditional surrender by the Germans a few days after Hitler's suicide, they were forced to do it by Eisenhower:

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End of World War II in Europe - Wikipedia

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German forces in Breslau surrender: At 18:00 on 6 May, General Hermann Niehoff, the commandant of Breslau, a 'fortress' city surrounded and besieged for months, surrendered to the Soviets.[23]

Jodl and Keitel surrender all German armed forces unconditionally: Thirty minutes after the fall of "Festung Breslau" (Fortress Breslau), General Alfred Jodl arrived in Reims and, following Dönitz's instructions, offered to surrender all forces fighting the Western Allies. This was exactly the same negotiating position that von Friedeburg had initially made to Montgomery, and like Montgomery, the Supreme Allied Commander, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, threatened to break off all negotiations unless the Germans agreed to a complete unconditional surrender to all the Allies on all fronts.[25] Eisenhower explicitly told Jodl that he would order western lines closed to German soldiers, thus forcing them to surrender to the Soviets.[25] Jodl sent a signal to Dönitz, who was in Flensburg, informing him of Eisenhower's declaration. Shortly after midnight, Dönitz, accepting the inevitable, sent a signal to Jodl authorizing the complete and total surrender of all German forces.[23][25]
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At 02:41 on the morning of 7 May, at SHAEF headquarters in Reims, France, the chief-of-staff of the German Armed Forces High Command, General Alfred Jodl, signed an unconditional surrender document for all German forces to the Allies. General Franz Böhme announced the unconditional surrender of German troops in Norway on 7 May. It included the phrase "All forces under German control to cease active operations at 2301 hours Central European Time on May 8, 1945."[19][27] The next day, Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel and other German OKW representatives travelled to Berlin, and shortly before midnight signed another document of unconditional surrender, again surrendering to all the Allied forces, this time in the presence of Marshal Georgi Zhukov and representatives of SHAEF.[28] The signing ceremony took place in a former German Army Engineering School in the Berlin district of Karlshorst; it now houses the German-Russian Museum Berlin-Karlshorst.
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esmozz said:
We can agree to differ - I think Freddie1980's point about internal tensions inside Russia a very good one.

I'm curious though. How, once Ukraine is fully equipped with whole range of Western weapons systems and with one of the most battle tested armies in the world, while Russia could no longer wage war, would NATO stop them from walking across the border into Russia if they wanted to do so?
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The threat of having supplies of western weapon systems cut and access to western intelligence removed would make it impossible to Ukraine to go into Russia. At that point Russia could just turn around and say they will nuking Ukrainian cities if they tried such an action.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The threat of having supplies of western weapon systems cut and access to western intelligence removed would make it impossible to Ukraine to go into Russia. At that point Russia could just turn around and say they will nuking Ukrainian cities if they tried such an action.
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I'll admit - it seems unlikely but nonetheless, its hard to say what things will be like 5-10 years from now. Many weapons systems may well be being manufactured within Ukraine. And who's to say they'll be alone in the venture. I suspect Poland is already champing at the bit to have a crack at Russia. And don't underestimate the depth of bad feeling for Russia which has existed for a long time in many of its former republics. Wars have a habit of spinning out of control.

But as you say - its seems unlikely.
 
Scougar said:
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Witch's Chariot

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Witches chariot. (A 4x4 with auto grenade launcher). She is describing how they built and use it for a crazy attack.
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It may have been a good idea, if she didn't plaster it all over Youtube.

Now the Russians are watching the road and that hill very carefully

I wonder if her friends call her Baldrick, with her cunning plan.
 
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steve45 said:
Yeah cause thats what a country that is trying to rid itself of corruption really needs... More blatant corruption... :rolleyes: What has that even got to do with the thread? Dragging it off topic again on one of your usual tangents...
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I'll tell you exactly what it has to do with this thread. People are saying EU member states should be more forthcoming with aid and weapons for Ukraine, and more on side. I responded by saying Qatar appears to have found a way of getting their ear, by sending senior MEP's suitcases full of cash for favours. That's how the EU hierarchy operate...
 
Chris Wilson said:
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What they need to do to get the EU more fully on side is send them some suitcases of cash, like Qatar has proven to be the way to their "heart". Another series of arrests i believe occurred recently. I am not sure the EU is smelling much rosier than Russia at the moment.

www.politico.eu

Qatargate: Corruption scandal widens with more EU lawmakers in frame

Maria Arena and Alessandra Moretti are mentioned in arrest warrant for another MEP, Andrea Cozzolino.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu

EU fans seem remarkably quiet about this widespread abject corruption, which is surprising given their apparent abhorrence of it in other quarters.
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Where there are humans and money there will be corruption. No shortage in the UK and no shortage in Europe but Russia does corruption like few other countries, its endemic.

Look at how well Eastern European countries have done from joining the EU after the USSR collapsed compared to those that didn't including Russia. Its night and day.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I'll tell you exactly what it has to do with this thread. People are saying EU member states should be more forthcoming with aid and weapons for Ukraine, and more on side. I responded by saying Qatar appears to have found a way of getting their ear, by sending senior MEP's suitcases full of cash for favours. That's how the EU hierarchy operate...
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And the Tories don't? Russian money flowed into them and likely Labour as well.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Now, let me think, what do you call that sort of a response, the response of the desparate? Is it a "whatabouterism"? ;)
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Is it? You are trying to claim the EU is so corrupt, like the UK isn't. And your mate Putin is as corrupt as they come. Typical from you, come into a thread and derail it with your own ideology. I get the feeling you and some other want Russia to win this war.
 
ChrisLX200 said:
New Perun video, always a good watch whether you agree with his conclusions or not.

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One of his best videos of late. Russia really has made a strategic balls up of epic proportions.
Driven Ukrainian nationalism to highs that will not decline in living memory.
Even if they do manage to hang on to areas, they are destroyed and the populations have left. Ukraine will never stop fighting for those areas.
Moved Europe away from its energy and so its foreign currency income has disappeared.
Russia now seen as a pariah by most countries and its populations.
Strengthened the EU and NATO beyond Putin's worst fears.
Strengthened the US as they now supply a lot of the energy to Europe and everyone will want it weapon systems.
Educated population has flowed out of Russia with their money.
Foreign investors have had their fingers burnt by Russia so will not be looking to reinvest there once the war is over.
Other East Eurasian countries looking to move away from Russian influence.
Russian military decimated in both hardware reserves and future sales of weapon systems.
 
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