Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ubersonic said:
I explained why this is a dangerous falsehood earlier in the thread, but for anyone interested in why it's wrong I'll copypasta the post in spoiler tags:

I don't mean to be rude here but this just isn't wrong it's very naïve.

A lot of people in this thread seem to fail to understand that the idea/concept of nuclear weapons (and the associated taboos) is completely different in the west to the rest of the world. Here in the west when most of us think of nuclear weapons we tend to think of an enormous fireball/mushroom cloud vaporising a city/island and oh-my-god the humanity, but those strategic nuclear weapons are not the only type of nuclear weapon, there are also tactical nukes. Tactical nukes are significantly smaller, I.E a nuclear tipped torpedo capable of eradicating a whole battleship/carrier with one hit, a nuclear SAM capable of downing an entire bomber formation, a nuclear tipped artillery shell capable of doing damage comparable to carpet bombing, or even a precision missile capable of destroying a fortified bunker/building in one hit.

For us the two get lumped together and we generally think the use of any nuclear weapons is an unthinkable taboo, however in the former USSR and China (and NK) there is a much stronger mental detachment between strategic and tactical weapons. In these states using these weapons has much less stigma/taboo with military leaders and the public, and in some cases it's even seen as pragmatic (I.E if a tactical nuke is almost as good as sending bombers but you don't have the air superiority to send bombers it's a cost saver). It's worth noting that even in the west the use of tactical nukes is much less unpopular with generals/politicians than it is with the public, hell the entire reason the USA developed the MOAB thermobaric vacuum bomb was because they wanted the functional ability to drop tactical nukes the middle east without any of the political fallout (no pun intended) using actual tactical nukes would generate. Russia of course created their own more powerful version of the MOAB (Called the FOAB), which of course they couldn't afford to build in great numbers. However they can't reliably use their FOABs against Ukraine as they have to be dropped from bombers and if they could send in bombers they would be bombing and there would be no need for them to consider the use of tactical nukes, however as mentioned above when bombing would see your bombers shot down then TNs become much more attractive from both a financial and effectiveness POV.

Many older posters may remember the infamous apocalyptic TV Movie "Threads" from the 80s? In that the thing that turned a tense situation into WW3 was when NATO sent B-52 bombers to hit a Soviet base in Iran and the Soviets defended the base with a nuclear tipped anti-air missile. It was and still is a very real example of how the differing western//non-western approaches to TNs can result in the west being surprised by others willingness to use them (for reference all of the USSRs cold war battle plans involved TNs, all of them).
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I remember your post. It doesn't change anything though. Roar is talking about Russia and its huge amounts of nuclear weapons, so the threat he sees is WW3 and nuclear war. That is what I am talking about in the reply, it isn't going to happen.

And Putin isn't using any nukes as long as Russia itself isn't threatened and no one is marching into Russia. A tactical nuke is still a nuke and there will be a massive cost for using one, a cost I don't think Putin is prepared to pay. Its all about opinions at this point.

Its a choice, you either stand up to the bully and support Ukraine or you cave like in 2014 and that emboldened Putin. At some point he will have to be stopped and now is the time to do it.
 
Roar87 said:
I'd love to sit here and mock Russia, it's just that they have the largest amount of nuclear weapons on Earth and we're sat here actively involving ourselves in a conflict we really have no business being involved in.
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Budapest Memorandum says hello and while we could probably legally twist our way out of it that doesn't mean we should. End of the day history has shown time and time again with these situations ultimately it will become our problem and the quicker and easier time Russia has with Ukraine the harder it will be for us down the line.

Roar87 said:
It's so weird people want a conflict with Russia. We should be trying our best to find a peaceful solution. A nuclear war would set humanity back 100 years and kill probably at least 1 billion people. I support Ukraine but that is absolutely not a price worth paying. Ukraine isn't a part of NATO or even the EU, we have no business there. I ******* hate Russia by the way, it's a complete gangster state.
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Easy to say we should do our best to find a peaceful solution - but that takes both parties to negotiate in at least somewhat good faith and Russia has trampled all over any potential there and the West doesn't exactly have a spotless record either - so unless you've got some actual ideas as to how this ends peacefully talking about finding a peaceful solution is an empty sound bite.
 
Harlequin said:
Russia invaded Ukraine, but thats ok, according to some on this thread, Ukraine should have taken the D and accepted it. For real.
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It is funny how they come one after the other, but never together. I wonder if AI is capable of engaging a conversation. Also they post just some random drivel, but messages are not directed to anyone.
 
Grim5 said:
While I don't know the timeline, it's been pretty obvious that this is happening it's not a surprise - Belarus already signed documents to merge Russia's legislature, banks and currency with Belarus - very shortly Belarus will be the same legal system as Russia and the same goes for its currency and economy
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I feel very sorry for my Belarusian friends here in the states.
 
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Belarus Defence Ministry: Belarus Sees Direct Threats to Its Military Security - TASS
- Significant Grouping of Ukrainian Army Massed Near Its Border
- Will Take ‘Adequate Measures’ to Respond to Military Provocations
- It Plans to Hold More Than 150 Joint Exercises With Russia in 2023

Russia’s Prigozhin: Accuses Defence Minister, Chief of General Staff, of Trying to Destroy His Wagner Group
- They Are Depriving Wagner Fighters of Munitions, Says This Is Equivalent to Treason

Kremlin: Biden’s Visit to Kyiv Is Nothing Extraordinary to Us - RIA
- Russia Carefully Watched Biden’s Ukraine Visit
- Russia Will Also Monitor Closely Events in Poland
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Lmao ukraine blows up all the bridges on the Belarus border so Belarus says it's a provocation and shows Ukraine wants to invade Belarus lmao
 
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