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If we didn't have a societal culture war right now he would have just picked on something else. I don't think he partially cares about LGBTQ+ anything, it's just a useful stick he can wheel out

I doubt it. He either has some serious hang ups, or due to him being ultra religious and close to death, perhaps he thinks he will get into heaven if he does what he imagines God wants and starts a crusade against LGBT people.
 
He is far closer to Adolf Hitler. Ultra nationalist and uses religion as an excuse to persecute members of society that he and his followers dislike. Has ambitions to recreate the Russian Empire that he feels was unfairly snatched from them, uses nationalistic rhetoric to justify invading neighbours and is fully supported by religious leaders in the country.
You're right of course.

The idiocy of the whole war was to remove Nazis from Ukraine, when the biggest one is Russia's president.
 
No one thought World War 1 would happen, no one thought World War 2 would happen. People like you literally sat there and said it can't happen. Do you get that? It absolutely can happen.
Again Putin may or may not use nukes, but he has demonstrated that he will keep doing this until he is forced to stop.

The option to have a "peaceful" settlement with him is vaporware. It's a fantasy that we simply will never get with him. You don't seem to have learned anything from Putin's past actions.

Our options are to let him keep doing this, or force him to stop.
 
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How did appeasement work out in the late 1930s?

Well, the difference then is that Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons and we had the largest Navy in the world. I'm hardly suggesting appeasement, economic sanctions and selling small arms is far different from what we're doing. If we didn't have nuclear weapons the UK would be a legitimate military target for Russia since we are providing training and arms during an active conflict.
 
I doubt it. He either has some serious hang ups, or due to him being ultra religious and close to death, perhaps he thinks he will get into heaven if he does what he imagines God wants and starts a crusade against LGBT people.

People like homosexuals are an easy target and always have been, just as Jewish people have been as well. Why find a new target when the ones that have worked so well for so long are still there and in parts of the West the political right also like to use those same old targets for their enemies.
 
No one thought World War 1 would happen, no one thought World War 2 would happen. People like you literally sat there and said it can't happen. Do you get that? It absolutely can happen.

And it definitely will happen if we don’t stand up to him. I’d rather stand up for good people than cower in fear.

Do the Russians actually still believe him when he says victory is just round the corner?

How did appeasement work out in the late 1930s?

This. It never works with these crazy people sadly. As we’ve said before in this thread, the Russians only understand force. Applying a western pacifist mindset doesn’t work.

There’s still nothing stopping Russia leaving Ukraine.
 
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Well, the difference then is that Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons and we had the largest Navy in the world. I'm hardly suggesting appeasement, economic sanctions and selling small arms is far different from what we're doing. If we didn't have nuclear weapons the UK would be a legitimate military target for Russia since we are providing training and arms during an active conflict.

That all sounds amazing, unless you were Czech or Polish, didn't work out so well for them.

But as you say we do have nuclear weapons, that is how MAD works. Poland doesn't have nuclear weapons, yet Russia hasn't touched Poland and it won't because a)NATO and b) Poland would roll into Ukraine and start kicking Russia's arse back accross its borders.

If you think sanctions and small arms is going to stop Russia well you are more naive than I ever thought. Ukraine bravery can only carry them so far. In the end arming Ukraine with what it needs to get Russia out of Ukraine will lead to the least amount of deaths over time. Now isn't the time back off, now is the time to double down and let Ukraine do what needs to be done.
 
No one thought World War 1 would happen

True.

no one thought World War 2 would happen.

False. Woodrow Wilson predicted that if the US did not join the League of Nations, there would be war in Europe. He was right: the US did not enter the LoN, and war followed. Ferdinand Foch went one better: he said the Treaty of Versaiiles was merely an armistice for 15-20 years of peace, after which there would be a new war 'on a vastly larger scale than the last.'

Ferdinand Foch said:
'Such a war will be a world war, and will not be localised in any sense of the word, for every country will take part in it, and the combatants will not only include the manhood but the women and children of every nation.'

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The certainty of WWII became clearer as Britain and others drew their lines in the sand and said they would enter the war if those lines were crossed, despite knowing that this would escalate the conflict to a new level. Those lines were crossed, and the war escalated accordingly.

People like you literally sat there and said it can't happen. Do you get that? It absolutely can happen.

We live in a very different world to those of WWI and WWII. The nature of geopolitics today is specific to our era.
 
I doubt it. He either has some serious hang ups, or due to him being ultra religious and close to death, perhaps he thinks he will get into heaven if he does what he imagines God wants and starts a crusade against LGBT people.

I don't think you have any evidence to back up any of those assumptions. He a fascist dirtbag but I haven't heard any rumbling about him being partially concerned with LGBT people, as long as it serves to ridicule the west then it works in his favor, if it wasn't for that then he'd just ramble on about Capitalism or something
 
I don't think you have any evidence to back up any of those assumptions. He a fascist dirtbag but I haven't heard any rumbling about him being partially concerned with LGBT people, as long as it serves to ridicule the west then it works in his favor, if it wasn't for that then he'd just ramble on about Capitalism or something

I don't think you have any evidence to back up yours either?

Only Putin knows what he really thinks. We can each have our opinion on what that might be.
 
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I don't think you have any evidence to back up any of those assumptions. He a fascist dirtbag but I haven't heard any rumbling about him being partially concerned with LGBT people, as long as it serves to ridicule the west then it works in his favor, if it wasn't for that then he'd just ramble on about Capitalism or something

'Russia: Putin's Kremlin targets LGBT in new crackdown.'

The new law bans "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" amongst all age groups. Anyone caught committing this "offence" could be fined up to 400,000 roubles ($5,840; £4,730), with much higher fines for organisations or journalists.

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The bill began its journey through the Russian legislative system last summer, shortly after Moscow launched its so-called special military operation.

The timing is no accident: Vladimir Putin says that Russia is not only fighting Ukraine on the battlefield, but also "Western" values. During a speech in the Kremlin to mark the illegal annexation of four Ukrainian regions, the president lashed out at the West and LGBT rights, calling them "pure Satanism".
 
No one thought World War 1 would happen, no one thought World War 2 would happen.

Rubbish. Both were widely expected. The exact timing, and the nature of World War I weren't predicted, but a war between European powers was absolutely seen as expected, in some cases, anticipated. Why wouldn't it have been? Wars were the norm throughout history.

It was thought in the aftermath of WWI that it was "the war to end all wars" and no-one would go back to the meatgrinder, but by the outbreak of war, that was gone. People knew war in Europe was coming.
 
Rubbish. Both were widely expected. The exact timing, and the nature of World War I weren't predicted, but a war between European powers was absolutely seen as expected, in some cases, anticipated. Why wouldn't it have been? Wars were the norm throughout history.

It was thought in the aftermath of WWI that it was "the war to end all wars" and no-one would go back to the meatgrinder, but by the outbreak of war, that was gone. People knew war in Europe was coming.

It's almost as if France didn't build a giant defensive line!
 
True, nither of us are phycologists and we can only imagine what a warped mind of a psychopath is thinking

We can look at evidence other people present


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Don’t be mistaken: This is not just a PR ploy. This is something Putin likely believes wholeheartedly, thanks to the Kovalchuks.


The public should be aware they are almost certainly not dealing with a sane person. They are dealing instead with a someone steeped in conspiracy theories, who believes he is fighting a crusade against gay marriages, genetically modified mosquitoes, and the Bilderbergs.
 
If we didn't have nuclear weapons the UK would be a legitimate military target for Russia since we are providing training and arms during an active conflict.

Once the west demonstrates that we would rather capitulate than risk nuclear war, our nuclear weapons are no longer a deterent.

Caving to Putin will only serve to encourage him.
 
We can look at evidence other people present


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Putin is the leader of a traditional religious country, his views are reflected in a lot of other countries with similar religious views. Gay marriage has only been legal in the UK for 10 years largely due to religion. He's basically just reflecting the views of a lot his voters, and most other people who follow traditional Abrahamic religions.
 
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