Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[GGizmo]

I think Putins rhetoric is 'old school' for even most Russians, especially the younger ones.

Young Russians are trying to get out of Russia. Because they don't want to be called to fight, and they have interacted with the Western countries.

There are pregnant Russian women arriving large scale in Argentina so their babies will have dual citizenship so they have a way out of Russia.

Pregnant Russian women flying to Argentina for citizenship, officials say

The women are trying to ensure their children obtain Argentine citizenship, officials say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Putin keeps using the anti-woke arguments in his speeches. But that is nothing to do with his invasion of Ukraine.

There is a possibility that even if Putin doesn't bring the war to an end circumstances around him might. There is a lot of talk about a power struggle between Chechen leader Kardyrov vs Wagner groups leader Prigozhin.

‘Plan to compete’: Chechen leader eyes Wagner-like mercenary unit

President Vladimir Putin’s ally says he plans to set up his own private military company styled after the Wagner Group.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Chris Wilson]

Pretty sure the LGBT portion of their society doesn't....

Minorities don't call the shots though, (in Russia if not the West...). In my hobby of amateur radio I speak to many Russians on a daily basis and those that feel free to offer an opinion are usually fairly puritanical, have a very low threshold of tolerance of homosexuality around young people, and a total abhorrence of those that feel free to decide their gender for themselves. So yes, I believe that Russians in general are very supportive of his views on these matters.

 

[Sankari]

Summary of Putin's speech:

There's nothing of substance here, it's just red meat for the loyalists. No grand announcements about the next phase of the war. No impressive list of military achievements. It's a bog standard propaganda rally.

 

[Harlequin]

Cool. Iran was also pretty liberal not so long ago, now they're a Conservative Islamic country who hold the traditionalist views of that religion.

1979. And it changed thanks to western interference *Operation Ajax* which removed a democratically elected leader and put an extremist dictator back in charge.

Also, not connected to Ukraine war - Speakers Corner yo.

 

[StuBob]

Minorities don't call the shots though, (in Russia if not the West...). In my hobby of amateur radio I speak to many Russians on a daily basis and those that feel free to offer an opinion are usually fairly puritanical, have a very low threshold of tolerance of homosexuality around young people, and a total abhorrence of those that feel free to decide their gender for themselves. So yes, I believe that Russians in general are very supportive of his views on these matters.

Are you not the one with the 'fantastical' local pub you usually pull every anecdote for? Where it just so happened to house every man, woman and child from every background and walk of life that also conveniently seems to conform and lend themself to reflect the same world views of your own in every anecdote you then seem to value as evidence.

Radio contact with Russians now, at least that's a little more creative.

 

[Jono8]

Summary of Putin's speech:

There's nothing of substance here, it's just red meat for the loyalists. No grand announcements about the next phase of the war. No impressive list of military achievements. It's a bog standard propaganda rally.

"Turn Ukraine into anti-Russia"

Hm, i think invading them and destroying their homes/killing their children might make them hate you more than anything the West can do or say....

 

[Sankari]

"Turn Ukraine into anti-Russia"

Hm, i think invading them and destroying their homes/killing their children might make them hate you more than anything the West can do or say....

It's going down well with the lunatics at patriots.win:

 

[Rroff]

Rubbish. Both were widely expected. The exact timing, and the nature of World War I weren't predicted, but a war between European powers was absolutely seen as expected, in some cases, anticipated. Why wouldn't it have been? Wars were the norm throughout history.

It was thought in the aftermath of WWI that it was "the war to end all wars" and no-one would go back to the meatgrinder, but by the outbreak of war, that was gone. People knew war in Europe was coming.

There is a certain amount of nuance to it - society generally didn't think either war was likely - building up to WW2 the general sentiment was that with the horrors of WW1 still fresh, increased globalisation of industry, commerce and communications a major war just couldn't happen in this day and age - a bit like many attitudes leading up to to this war today and many are still firmly of the opinion this can't spread beyond Ukraine due to those kind of reasons.

But there are plenty of people with each war with a less optimistic view as well.

 

[McBain]

Pretty sure some of the people in this thread have been calling into LBC, the amount of people who think the world should just sit back and let Putin do what he wants baffles me.

In the interest of peace. How naive can you be.

 

[CapitalOne]

"Once you realise the MSM is controlled by the CIA, is all makes sense"

I'm sure some here will be in die hard agreement as well.

There is a part of the world that doesn't want to enter the 21st centuary.

 

[Harlequin]

Putin: Russia suspends participation in last remaining nuclear treaty with U.S.

President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia was suspending its participation in the New START treaty with the United States that limits the two sides' strategic nuclear arsenals.

www.reuters.com

 

[Rroff]

I wonder if Putin is a religious fundamentalist or only/mostly using it for his own agenda - mixing fundamentalism with that level of power is a dangerous thing and can lead to completely irrational actions though Putin has always struck me as someone with strong self-interest beyond any belief, religious or otherwise, lead agenda.

 

[CapitalOne]

No way it's gods work with him, he's a crook.

How are our Johnson supporting yet Putin supporting friends dealing with his "more jets plea"?

 

[Rroff]

No way it's gods work with him, he's a crook.

Plenty of people who are both and quick to judge it in others but lack the self-awareness or willingness to see it in themselves.

 

[CapitalOne]

Plenty of people who are both and quick to judge it in others but lack the self-awareness or willingness to see it in themselves.

Sorry, "no comprendo"

 

[ubersonic]

Excellent, Putin has suspended the nuclear arms deal.

The funniest part being, it was a deal that limited the amount of nukes that the USA/Russia can have, and the only one of those countries that has the economic/technical means to produce nukes at a reasonable rate is the USA

 

[Rroff]

Sorry, "no comprendo"

There has been no shortage of people in history who believe they are doing God(s) work who can't see, or don't want to see, their own corruption or find convoluted ways to justify it to themselves.

 

[Allnamestaken]

Well, the difference then is that Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons and we had the largest Navy in the world. I'm hardly suggesting appeasement, economic sanctions and selling small arms is far different from what we're doing. If we didn't have nuclear weapons the UK would be a legitimate military target for Russia since we are providing training and arms during an active conflict.

How are European countries supplying arms any different? They don’t have nukes and Russia isn’t attacking them.

We would still be in NATO without nukes he wouldn’t take the risk the same way he isn’t taking the risk against non nuclear countries now. This logic doesn’t track lol.

 

[Jono8]

How are European countries supplying arms any different? They don’t have nukes and Russia isn’t attacking them.

We would still be in NATO without nukes he wouldn’t take the risk the same way he isn’t taking the risk against non nuclear countries now. This logic doesn’t track lol.

Indeed. The USA and rest of Europe would not just do nothing if Russia attacked the UK.

The UK is one of the most influential and powerful western nations/allies in NATO.

 

[Rroff]

How are European countries supplying arms any different? They don’t have nukes and Russia isn’t attacking them.

We would still be in NATO without nukes he wouldn’t take the risk the same way he isn’t taking the risk against non nuclear countries now. This logic doesn’t track lol.

We are sticking our necks out in a way many in Europe aren't, amongst other things we initiated the momentum to get Ukraine well supplied with ant-tank weapons and tanks and didn't write Ukraine off at the start of the conflict like many did - I certainly think if we didn't have our nuclear deterrent Putin would be significantly more likely to try and use nuclear intimidation against us or even gamble on it hoping self-interest would result in other NATO members from retaliating.