Indeed. The USA and rest of Europe would not just do nothing if Russia attacked the UK.
The UK is one of the most influential and powerful western nations/allies in NATO.
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Indeed. The USA and rest of Europe would not just do nothing if Russia attacked the UK.
The UK is one of the most influential and powerful western nations/allies in NATO.
We are sticking our necks out in a way many in Europe aren't, amongst other things we initiated the momentum to get Ukraine well supplied with ant-tank weapons and tanks and didn't write Ukraine off at the start of the conflict like many did - I certainly think if we didn't have our nuclear deterrent Putin would be significantly more likely to try and use nuclear intimidation against us or even gamble on it hoping self-interest would result in other NATO members from retaliating.
I think there is much less love for the UK within NATO than you think - we have power and influence, sadly being eroded by short term thinking, which grants some deference. I'm not so sure some countries would hurry to put themselves in the firing line for us if it came to it - even though that weakens NATO's deterrent value.
I'm sorry, but i just don't see how NATO would not retaliate if the UK was attacked by Russia. That is pretty implausible.
I get that the post is rhetorical and the point is more to reference the public opinion of appeasement rather than the historical accuracy of it, but. To avoid misinforming, appeasement in the 30's actually worked out great for it's intended purpose, which was to delay the coming war in order for Britain/France to be in a better position to fight it, the idea that Chamberlain/etc had any confidence in it actually stopping Hitler is/was just media drivel. They knew the second they encountered him at Munich that he was Napoleon 2.0 and they immediately began preparations for the coming war.
Interestingly there is something of a similarity with Ukraine/Poroshenko appeasing Putin at Minsk in 2015, they didn't believe him for a second but by agreeing to ceasefires/etc they bought time to prepare, and from what we saw in 2022 they did a much better job of preparing over the following seven years than he did haha.
He's an atheist, virtually all KGB are as it was their job to enforce the USSR's state enforced atheism policy so they got good at spotting if potential recruits were secretly religious (there's been tales that their induction policies even required heretical acts but this has never been confirmed).
Of course, the church in Russia is important/powerful these days, and so Putin is all about the church, whose leaders are all about Putin.
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I tend to think the whole religious aspect of Putin's presentation is just a play to get Russian conservative voters on his side. To that extent he somehow installed one of this old KGB pals Patriarch Kirill as head of the Russian orthodox church, who sports a £20k Réveil du Tsar designer watch despite his otherwise humble appearance as a man of the cloth. Kirill uses his position to prop up support for Putin and his policies by aligning Putin's actions as being the actions supported by God and in turn Putin turns a blind eye to all the money and wealth Kirill has accrued for himself (watches, yachts, apartments in Moscow etc).
"Once you realise the MSM is controlled by the CIA, is all makes sense"
I'm sure some here will be in die hard agreement as well.
There is a part of the world that doesn't want to enter the 21st centuary.
The CIA's budget is more than the UK spends on defense each year, I don't know what that money is spent on but I do know they have strategic goals that justify that amount of expenditure.
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Have you seen the Pope's gaff? Or Justin Welby's gaff? What about the head of the C of E, King Charles III? None are eating cold beans on toast living in a damp council house now, are they?
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I'm sure it is and I don't know either, however the ascertation is some of it is used to control the output of all the flavours of main stream media, which is the kind of thing people say when they don't want to believe what's in the news that they don't agree with.
It is a funny one - if Putin was to launch a nuclear attack against say Warsaw right now the hammer would drop so fast it isn't even funny and Putin likely wouldn't see sunrise tomorrow... if the same happened to London though I think we'd see (at least those of us who survive) a lot more talk and a lot less action. Giving up our nuclear capabilities would be one of the biggest mistakes we'd ever make.
Same with disasters, etc. around the world, the UK is one of the first to respond and one of the biggest givers, we'd likely see far less response from other countries if we suffered a major disaster.
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I'm not so sure about that, London is the 4th richest city (in terms of million / billionaires) and one of the most politically influential and significant in the whole world.
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Remember that discussion a few years ago, think it was Corbyn - "we'll cancel our Trident programme" and everyone was like "uuuuuuh but jobs mang" and then he was all "ok we'll remove the warheads but keep the programme"
Like having a guard dog with no teeth, I miss those days.
What is this based on? It is difficult to come to that assumption as we haven't really faced any major disasters for ages. We don't get terribly extreme weather, nor earthquakes/volcanos etc and most smaller domestic things arent beyond our means to fix 99.9% of the time.
Because of the clout it has. I think people would find there was much less love there if that was gone.
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This ^^ 1000x
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You really are a throwback to the 70s aren't you. I'm sure you revel in your conversations with these people sharing the same ideals. The idea that gays are a threat to children was rife back in the 70s after all, of course it turned out to be nonsense unless the gay man was a member of the clergy. How you must be enjoying it as the rabid MAGA style right wing in America is obsessed with "pedos" and anyone that doesn't fit their narrow ideology is one, gays of course a prime target again.
Chris didn't say anything offensive, why the personal attack?
He later said he would keep them but would never use them which is somewhat stupid but it was Corbyn.
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