The first word you highlighted was "effectively", it has many uses, I.E if you say the coin did not land on heads you are effectively saying it landed on tails. When they new Ukrainian government declared that Crimea had no authority to hold a referendum on independence and sent the Ukrainian special forces to Crimea for "operations against the Crimean defence force" they were effectively declaring their intention to take back control of Crimea by force. (NB the Ukrainian special forces refused the order, but that doesn't change the fact it was given).
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The first word you highlighted was "effectively", it has many uses, I.E if you say the coin did not land on heads you are effectively saying it landed on tails. When they new Ukrainian government declared that Crimea had no authority to hold a referendum on independence and sent the Ukrainian special forces to Crimea for "operations against the Crimean defence force" they were effectively declaring their intention to take back control of Crimea by force. (NB the Ukrainian special forces refused the order, but that doesn't change the fact it was given).
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Well there was no substantial territorial losses, but the point remains that the Russians were beaten. Not for the last time either. Their performance in WWI was a disaster.
Russia's two big victories versus Napoleon and Hitler have far more to do with the arrogance of the other side, rather than Russian military supremacy. That is not to say the Russians cannot fight, I am just saying that they are far from undefeated.
Denouncing Crimea's sovereignty.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ukraine+denounces+crimean+referendum
Attempting to get it's forces to go to Crimea (this ones a breaking story so only a couple of places awake enough to report it so far):
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ukrainian+special+forces+refuse
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Depends what you mean by defeated. ..and whether in defence or attack.
For instance the uk was defeated by the Romans. We were invaded and owned.
Has Russia ever been successfully invaded and subjugated like that?
I'd hope, (but it'll never happen for various reasons) Russia came forward and said they were listening to the democratic right of the Crimean people and will stay in as independent peace keepers until the referendum, whereafter they will accept any results.
Basically stopping the new Ukrainian "government" from stopping the referendum, without any undue force on the people of Crimea.
Unfortunately if it still goes ahead there will probably be a lot of strong arm tactics by the Russians to make sure people vote yes. The rhetoric from the west won't help either.
Your first link had nothing to do with "effectively declaring it's intention to regain control of the breakaway state by force."
Your second one is a report from Pravda.
Pravda still operates from the same headquarters at Pravda Street from where journalists used to prepare Pravda everyday during the Soviet era. It operates under the leadership of journalist Boris Komotsky. A function was organized by the CPRF on 5 July 2012 to celebrate the 100 years of Pravda.
http://sovietrussianow.blogspot.com/2012/04/chief-editor-of-pravda-bo-komotsky.html
Boris Komotsky, deputy director of the Center for the political culture in Russia, member of the Presidium of the Central Comitee of the Communist Party, a member of State Duma Comitee on CIS Affairs and Relations with Compatriots.
I love how they keep using the never ending titles, true communist style.
I therefore correct my previous statement - you didn't make it up. The Soviet propaganda did, you're just regurgitating it.
What?
Please for the love of god start reading things you quote before replying, it clearly says that link is where Ukraine is "Denouncing Crimea's sovereignty".
Your second one is a report from Pravda.
The one I believe your talking about is actually a report from ITAR that has been reposted by Pravda (hadn't seen the Pravda one before).
Yes just Pravda then so far, the russian communist party paper... No doubt RT will be saying it shortly too soon...
A gulag is a Russian forced labour camp.
So you think these reports are genuine?
Ultimatley i imagine they'll be told to leave sans weaponry, as for storming the base, it doesn't need to happen, just keep them contained until such time as the Crimea votes to join the Russian Federation, then "invite" the Ukrainian troops to leave.
A thought just occurred to me, if by some miricle it does actually kick off between Ukraine/Russia. Will this be the first actual inter country war in Europe since WW2? I don't recall the being one (USSR/Czechoslovakia was the putting down of a rebellion, Yugoslavia's self destruction was a civil war and Georgia is in Asia).
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Do you guys really think Russia and Ukraine will actively engage in military action with each other? I personally think the whole deployment and build up of military forces (from both sides) is a bit of a penis measuring thing.
A bit like North and South Korea, they just like to **** each other off a little bit, from time t time, just so one side does not forget the other is still there.
A bit like North and South Korea, they just like to **** each other off a little bit, from time t time, just so one side does not forget the other is still there.
I'm well aware of what a gulag is thank you. You're well aware of what I was referring too, but since you're being facetious I'll make it simple for you:
What?
http://www.day.kiev.ua/en/article/close/crimea-wants-protect-majority-principle
On February 27, 2014, during the 2014 Crimean crisis, Refat Chubarov, leader of Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People and member of the Council of Ministers of Crimea, said that unknown gunmen seized the Building of the Supreme Council of Crimea (the Parliament) on Karla Marksa Street and the building of the Council of Ministers on Kirova Avenue in Simferopol.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...s-autonomous-republics-government-337803.html
Under seige, the Supreme Council of Crimea held an emergency session and passed a motion of no confidence in the Council of Ministers and adopted a resolution to terminated its powers.The parliament dismissed the Chairman and Prime Minister, Anatolii Mohyliov pursuant to Article 136 of the Constitution of Ukraine, and replaced him with Sergey Aksyonov. They voted to hold a referendum on the independence of Crimea on May 25.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukr...s-autonomous-republics-government-337803.html
There's no such thing as Crimea's Sovereignty because Crimea is not a sovereign nation. Article 135 of the Ukrainian Constitution provides that the Crimean Constitution must be approved by the Ukrainian parliament, the Crimean parliament has no right of legislative initiative. The Ukrainian Govt. therefore denounced the decision which was absolutely normal given that it was illegal according to both Crimean and Ukrainian laws.
The Ukrainian Govt. did not make any statements related to the intention to regain control of the breakaway state by force. Something you claimed and failed to back up.
If you have any links to back up your claims that aren't soviet propaganda, please present them.
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For reference Crimea has all three. It is also not dependant on the Ukraine for it's power (another prerequisite) as it is an antonymous state.
By your thinking Scotland has no authority to hold a referendum on independence either.
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Yes, multiple times. The Mongol conquests being the most significant in the last 1000 years.
I genuinely didn't know to what you were referring. Thanks for clarifying your post.
In case you missed it, Putin's entire pretense for the invasion of the Crimean peninsula is that he's protecting Russian citizens from the "ultra-nationalists" (yes he actually used that term, sounds like someone has been playing too much CoD4) in Kiev. If Ukrainian forces remain loyal to Kiev and they have so far then it's not a great leap to imagine them being labelled as ultra-nationalists too. As I said previously, to be able to predict what Putin will do next, all you have to do is be pessimistic.
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