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Of course it's the F35 that would be the one In discussion, but the way I see it is that even if the US ever sells the F35 to Ukraine, it's likely to only be after the US has already built a hundred 6th Gen NGAD fighters (so like 10 years from now)
 
Dem2k said:
They wouldn't want to send anything that might end up in the wrong hands so they would never send the F-22 or F-35.

I honestly think the best plane that would help Ukraine if they were operating in areas were the threat of SAM or MANPADS were lower would be the retired A10, because A it would scare the hell out of Russian troops in any area it was operating as that cannon it has is nuts. B it would bust up any Russian armor it targeted and C it's probably one of the most armoured and durable aircraft the US have made to date.
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A-10 would be ideal for a war like this, but they already have the S-25 which fills the same role
 
One 48 said:
Someone mentioned the A-10's are retired, I hadnt realised that, but yup they would be the perfect aircraft for Ukraine, A-10's and maybe Apache's.

It's going to take a while to train/convert Ukranian pilots to anything though, looks like this horrible war is going to drag on years, what a mess :(
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Some expert (retired wing commander or something) on LBC the other day was saying A10's would be perfect but they are so slow they would need 2 fighters as escorts
 
Even an A-10 has the same problem with the proliferation of anti-air weapons in this war from MANPADS, SPAAGs through to S-400 complexes, etc. with lots of potent systems on both sides not fully integrated into a robust chain of command. That said Ukraine could still do with plenty of stuff like the Gepard. Eventually they will need aircraft but there is a lot of other stuff more pressing right now including ammo and mobile artillery systems.
 
*China Foreign Ministry Releases Paper on China’s Position on Political Solution to Ukraine Crisis - Statement
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Respect Sovereignty of All Countries
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: A Country’s Security Cannot Be at Expense of Other Countries’ Security
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Regional Security Cannot Be Guaranteed by Strengthening or Even Expanding Military Blocs
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Cease Fire and Stop Fighting, Prevent Ukraine Crisis From Further Aggravating or Even Getting Out Of Control
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Gradually Promote De-Escalation and Easing of Situation and Finally Reach Comprehensive Ceasefire
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Dialogue, Negotiation Are Only Viable Way to Resolve Ukraine Crisis
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Maintain Safety of Nuclear Power Plants, Oppose Armed Attacks on Nuclear Facilities
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Nuclear Weapons Cannot Be Used and Nuclear War Cannot Be Fought
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Prevent Nuclear Proliferation, Avoid Any Nuclear Crisis
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: We Oppose Development, Use of Biological and Chemical Weapons by Any Country Under Any Circumstances
*China’s Paper on Ukraine: Oppose Any Unilateral Sanctions Not Authorised by U.N. Security Council
http://in.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/zgxw/202302/t20230224_11030713.htm
 
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Grim5 said:
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Only unlike Hitler Putin possibly has the means to take the world out with him and he is less likely than Hitler to end it in a bunker taking his own life. We can end this here (probably) by giving Ukraine the tools it needs to bring the current Russian forces in Ukraine to exhaustion sooner rather than later and leaving of their own accord or delay and possibly risk it all.

Or we sell out Ukraine for temporary peace and kick the can down the road to our children to deal with (maybe).
 
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Turn said:

China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis

in.china-embassy.gov.cn
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*EU Delegation Head in China: China Should Fulfill Its Responsibility to Defend the UN Charter in Face of Aggression by Russia
*EU Delegation Head in China: China’s Position Paper on Ukraine Is Not a Peace Proposal

*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: China’s Publication of This Position Paper Is a Good Sign and a Sign That It Wants to Be Involved in the Global Efforts to Stop the War in Ukraine
*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: We Have a Peace Plan and We Hope China Supports This
*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: Ukraine Would Like to See China on Its Side, at the Moment China Is Not Supporting Ukraine Efforts
*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: We Expect China to Be More Active in Its Support of Ukraine
*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: We Hope China Urges Russia to Stop the War and Withdraw Its Troops
*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: We Would Like to See China Be More Active and Do More to End the War
*Ukraine Charge D’affaires: For Neutrality China Should Speak to Both Russia and Ukraine, and Now We Can See China Is Not Talking to Ukraine
 
Rroff said:
Or we sell out Ukraine for temporary peace and kick the can down the road to our children to deal with (maybe).
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Let's not be shy about it. Both Russia and China are vying for a bigger piece of the pie. No matter what they say, they are both making financial moves etc to get land/resources/power across the world. I'm sure that can is coming sooner or later. Russia decided to try force with Ukraine.
 
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Scougar said:
Let's not be shy about it. Both Russia and China are vying for a bigger piece of the pie. No matter what they say, they are both making financial moves etc to get land/resources/power across the world. I'm sure that can is coming sooner or later. Russia decided to try force with Ukraine.
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I added the maybe as there are so many variables to that, none of them good.
 
Scougar said:
Let's not be shy about it. Both Russia and China are vying for a bigger piece of the pie. No matter what they say, they are both making financial moves etc to get land/resources/power across the world. I'm sure that can is coming sooner or later. Russia decided to try force with Ukraine.
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Of course they are, they have been doing this for 15 years.
 
Grim5 said:
China says it has a peace plan. Both Ukraine and Russia says China has not actually provided or shown any plans

My guess would be that China will provide the plan once find someone else's peace plan homework they can copy :cry:
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China seems to be hinting at a situation which essentially freezes the current conflict - not really an acceptable outcome.
 
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