Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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It's amazing that Europe has facilitated Russia by simultaneously buying gas from them whilst sanctioning them over the years. The fall of the USSR gave them plenty of opportunity to crush Russia and find an alternative fuel source. It's like the bad guy coming back at the end of the movie cliche.
 
Chojin said:
It's amazing that Europe has facilitated Russia by simultaneously buying gas from them whilst sanctioning them over the years. The fall of the USSR gave them plenty of opportunity to crush Russia and find an alternative fuel source. It's like the bad guy coming back at the end of the movie cliche.
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Exactly, crush em for sure this time. Someone said on Reddit that Russian nukes are all going to explode in their silos anyway cause they so bad. Everyone hates Putin in Russia so our NATO troops will be welcomed anywhere they step across Russia.

We have nothing to worry about.
 
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I expect that it is because the world generally does not interfere with sovereign countries until they begin to affect neighbouring states. Even then they are given a lot of rope. Russia held out all sorts of signals that they were not going to reinstate the old soviet bloc. That they were tending to democracy for its people but the last 10 years or so have gone against that.
So at best a continuation of a cold war.
 
Enkore said:
Exactly, crush em for sure this time. Someone said on Reddit that Russian nukes are all going to explode in their silos anyway cause they so bad. Everyone hates Putin in Russia so our NATO troops will be welcomed anywhere they step across Russia.

We have nothing to worry about.
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Your trolling for sure.
 
Supremacist said:
Does Ukraine not have the ability to defend it self somewhat?
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To some extent, they have a large military force, ~215000 personnel, but I'd take a punt at probably only 3rd of that number are actual combat troops be that Inf, armour etc. the rest will be CS/CSS
Russian Arty capability, with Rocket systems, Guns have similar range and equipment however russia has more of it and faster FCS.
Russia also has better EW capabilities both defensive and offensive, better Cyber capability.
I dont know about Russia's ISTAR capability though, thats one domain that the Ukrainians may have the upper hand, with all the sensors pointed at/beyond the border from all the different nations supporting them. I'd like to think that would give the Ukrainians decent start.

But ultimately if it happens, the Russians would have the upper hand. It could go either of two ways though, short sharp and brutal (probably the best situation, sooner it stabilises the better). or a long drawn out war of attrition, but I dont think the Russians would fall for getting bogged down, although if the anti armour that has been flown in by UK/US is used effectively this could be the case.
 
I wonder who Russia will go for after Ukraine? It’s a slippery slope if they go for this. Interestingly they are leaving themselves pretty undefended having committed so many of their armed forces. I hope we’ve armed Ukraine real good. Shame Ukraine don’t have nukes anymore, well done politicians.
 
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Think I understood about 30% of that :cry:

I guess the Ukrainians would just need to make it as painful as possible for the Russians whenever the can in hope of making them questions if it’s worth it.

it’s sad to see, been watching this travel blogger on YouTube who has settled down in Ukraine and it seems lovely, modern and very European.

edit. My nephew showed me a video of a Putin speech after meeting macron, which was quite chilling and he seemed pretty serious. Mentioned nukes and everything would be vapourised in a blink of an eye.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
I wonder who Russia will go for after Ukraine? It’s a slippery slope if they go for this. Interestingly they are leaving themselves pretty undefended having committed so many of their armed forces. I hope we’ve armed Ukraine real good. Shame they don’t have nukes anymore, well done politicians.
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They were making quite a bit of noise about wanting NATO out of Romania and Bulgaria - bit of a long game that but wouldn't be surprised if they had ideas of going down both sides of the Black Sea - then I'd get nervous if I was Turkey. Though Turkey nukes aside these days is a near peer foe for Russia.

The Baltic states is a tricky one with a NATO presence to content with.
 
Supremacist said:
Think I understood about 30% of that :cry:

I guess the Ukrainians would just need to make it as painful as possible for the Russians whenever the can in hope of making them questions if it’s worth it.

it’s sad to see, been watching this travel blogger on YouTube who has settled down in Ukraine and it seems lovely, modern and very European.

edit. My nephew showed me a video of a Putin speech after meeting macron, which was quite chilling and he seemed pretty serious. Mentioned nukes and everything would be vapourised in a blink of an eye.
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JohnnyFD?

Talking of Nukes, Iskander missile platforms have been deployed to the region. However chances of that being used are slim to none. Probably find its been moved their to make a statement/deterrent. That said Iskanders are also capable of carrying conventional warheads.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
I wonder who Russia will go for after Ukraine? It’s a slippery slope if they go for this. Interestingly they are leaving themselves pretty undefended having committed so many of their armed forces. I hope we’ve armed Ukraine real good. Shame Ukraine don’t have nukes anymore, well done politicians.
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Gotta hope that if they do invade Ukraine causes significant equipment losses, lots of MBTs destroyed, aircraft shot down and even ships sunk via Ukrainian jets* and land-based Neptune missiles etc...

Obviously, Russia will probably go with a big ariel bombardment first, just hope Ukrainian engineers are able to repair runways quickly and get some aircraft in the air if/when needed to make a mess of any attempt at amphibious landings.

Also if Russia does try to take and hold a big chunk of territory and there is a resulting insurgency the UK-supplied NLAWs will come in very handy (assuming they've been distributed widely), plenty of armoured vehicles could be destroyed with those things.

The ideal situation (given an invasion) would be to inflict huge equipment losses and plenty of economic sanctions too thus perhaps neutering the threat from Russia a bit to other neighbours. Putin's position becomes precarious, if he goes then Russian control of Chechnya becomes shakey and they have a whole load of internal issues.

Alternatively, if it all goes wrong and Russia has a big success here then places like Georgia (non-NATO member) will no doubt start to get nervous that they're next in line for Putin's expansionist plans + China will no doubt feel rather emboldened re: Taiwan.
 
Jono8 said:
Horrible. However, I'm fully expecting it. The sheer amount of activity and level of troop build up seems too high for it to be just a ruse.

The Russian's seem to be on full gaslighting/propaganda mode too.
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Keep in mind a lot of this is what they want us to see - a lot of the videos of convoys, etc. popping up seems to be a case of taking equipment and vehicles which were built up in the last round, joining up with new vehicles and returning to base, and then "coincidentally" the videos leak of this huge amount of military stuff moving towards Ukraine when half of it was already deployed.

They seem to be going to huge lengths to then just back down though - especially with some of the mercenary type units mobilised that doesn't really make much sense if they are just doing it for show.

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JohnnyFD?

Talking of Nukes, Iskander missile platforms have been deployed to the region. However chances of that being used are slim to none. Probably find its been moved their to make a statement/deterrent. That said Iskanders are also capable of carrying conventional warheads.
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I believe only the Topol-M (or whatever updated variant) units are nuclear armed (out of anything active mobile missile wise) - they've been moving a token amount of stuff like Iskanders as a seeming deterrence towards NATO rather than with intent, as you said.

On another note interesting that most of the UK and other nation military air traffic has been in and out of the Western side of Ukraine today and FORTE12 back up over Kyiv.
 
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Rroff said:
They were making quite a bit of noise about wanting NATO out of Romania and Bulgaria - bit of a long game that but wouldn't be surprised if they had ideas of going down both sides of the Black Sea - then I'd get nervous if I was Turkey. Though Turkey nukes aside these days is a near peer foe for Russia.

The Baltic states is a tricky one with a NATO presence to content with.
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I don't see how is Turkish Army near peer foe for Russia at this point? I think its enough to just look at air-force numbers.

Turkey has 48 of F-4's and 245 F-16 albeit latest block update I think. Those are still pretty old platforms that are capable but hardly cutting edge.

Russia has 250 Mig-29's which are comparable to F-16. 230 Su-27 which would cause big issues in the sky as they are very capable fighters. Those are old gen tech and alone would be able to provide air superiority. Then again older tech can provide ground support of which Russia has Su-25 (194), Su-24 (274). For some heavy bombing missions, Russia has Tu-160 (16), Tu-22M (67) and Tu-95 (42).

That is before you start adding newer 'Russian' planes. Su-30 (111), Su-34 (132), Su-35 (100), Mig-35 (8) and Su-57 (4). They also have newer and capable helicopters Ka-52 (127) and Mi-28 (95).

I mean all that Turkey has is 48 F-4's and 245 F-16's and some UAV's.

Russians would be able to achieve air superiority with just their mig-29's and Su-27's relatively easily.
 
steve45 said:
JohnnyFD?

Talking of Nukes, Iskander missile platforms have been deployed to the region. However chances of that being used are slim to none. Probably find its been moved their to make a statement/deterrent. That said Iskanders are also capable of carrying conventional warheads.
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Yea Johnny, him and bald make a great team !
 
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