Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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arknor said:
*SNIP*

... could have likely got peace and let putin have the small area he already has..
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So assuming you are actually in Scotland, let us know how you would feel about Scotland being invaded by say... Germany, and being told, "well... we best just let them have Scotland for the sake of peace".

The reality here is:

1) They are under attack and have every legal right to defend their own country.
2) If Russia win's, or even takes some land as part of a peace deal, the implications of this are vast. It will embolden China to take Taiwan, as "well... they'll just give in, in the end" (i.e. it's worth it). And the blatantly obvious part, Russia WILL try to take the full amount of Ukraine, and almost guaranteed beyond (Georgia and Moldova say hell).
 
arknor said:
Seems like Zelensky is willing to sacrifice a lot of bodies as long as the money keeps flowing.
We will probably never know how many died fighting his war, but you can guarantee it will be a a far greater number than Ukraine claims.

for what? everyone knows putin isn't going to wage war on the rest of Europe. could have likely got peace and let putin have the small area he already has..


If putons so ill and on his death bed then just wait until he's gone and take it back... the next leader of Russia likely wont want to fight for it and won't want the sanctions either.


IF zelenksy wants to keep fighting then he should go to the front line like he expects all the people he conscripted to.

Remember he wouldn't let the men leave the country and forced them into the army, the Ukraines on the front line likely don't want to be there any more than the Russians, just 2 armies trapped between 2 ego maniacs
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The usual drivel from you.
 
arknor said:
Seems like Zelensky is willing to sacrifice a lot of bodies as long as the money keeps flowing.
We will probably never know how many died fighting his war, but you can guarantee it will be a a far greater number than Ukraine claims.

for what? everyone knows putin isn't going to wage war on the rest of Europe. could have likely got peace and let putin have the small area he already has..


If putons so ill and on his death bed then just wait until he's gone and take it back... the next leader of Russia likely wont want to fight for it and won't want the sanctions either.


IF zelenksy wants to keep fighting then he should go to the front line like he expects all the people he conscripted to.

Remember he wouldn't let the men leave the country and forced them into the army, the Ukraines on the front line likely don't want to be there any more than the Russians, just 2 armies trapped between 2 ego maniacs
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This is just bonkers stuff.

Edit: I just got out of spoons, and I'm not ghat drunk!
 
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Devilman said:
Another Putin apologist trying to blame Zelensky for the Ukranian people choosing to defend their Sovereign Nation against a hostile and aggressive invasion by Russia.

Take it elsewhere, we're not interested in your brown-nosing of Russians.
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Their posting history suggests they are a Brexit fan who thought the UK had to leave the EU for freedom and sovereignty.
 
arknor said:
Seems like Zelensky is willing to sacrifice a lot of bodies as long as the money keeps flowing.
We will probably never know how many died fighting his war, but you can guarantee it will be a a far greater number than Ukraine claims.

for what? everyone knows putin isn't going to wage war on the rest of Europe. could have likely got peace and let putin have the small area he already has..


If putons so ill and on his death bed then just wait until he's gone and take it back... the next leader of Russia likely wont want to fight for it and won't want the sanctions either.


IF zelenksy wants to keep fighting then he should go to the front line like he expects all the people he conscripted to.

Remember he wouldn't let the men leave the country and forced them into the army, the Ukraines on the front line likely don't want to be there any more than the Russians, just 2 armies trapped between 2 ego maniacs
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Do you think the Ukrainian population or parliament would tolerate Zelensky caving in to Putin and giving away large swathes of Ukraine? They already got shot of a president when went back on his promises. How much of your country would you give up to a invader or how much would you support your government giving up?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Do you think the Ukrainian population or parliament would tolerate Zelensky caving in to Putin and giving away large swathes of Ukraine? They already got shot of a president when went back on his promises. How much of your country would you give up to a invader or how much would you support your government giving up?
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Careful now... don't use too much logic at one time!

Fire_fly said:
ah i see Neville Chamberlain has entered the thread.

Tell us, if you give Putin the eastern part of Ukraine will you get him to sign a piece of paper committing him to peace in our time?
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Maybe we can ask him Russia to re-sign the peace documents that they signed before regarding never invading Ukraine... cos it worked so well last time. /S
 
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arknor said:
Seems like Zelensky is willing to sacrifice a lot of bodies as long as the money keeps flowing.
We will probably never know how many died fighting his war, but you can guarantee it will be a a far greater number than Ukraine claims.

for what? everyone knows putin isn't going to wage war on the rest of Europe. could have likely got peace and let putin have the small area he already has..


If putons so ill and on his death bed then just wait until he's gone and take it back... the next leader of Russia likely wont want to fight for it and won't want the sanctions either.


IF zelenksy wants to keep fighting then he should go to the front line like he expects all the people he conscripted to.

Remember he wouldn't let the men leave the country and forced them into the army, the Ukraines on the front line likely don't want to be there any more than the Russians, just 2 armies trapped between 2 ego maniacs
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So far Russia occupy around 20% of Ukraine that isn't a small area. I'm sure Ukraine are more than happy to negotiate Putin's surrender any time he wants.

EDIT: While Europe might not have been under any imminent threat from Russia - if Ukraine had simply rolled over and the West been weak, it would have certainly been the Baltics next and other parts Putin fancied. Don't forget he initially tried to head shot the Ukrainian government with an attempt to take over control of the whole country not just take bits in the east.
 
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Been looking at twitter, and one apparent young person says they are now on the side of Russia, because of something Zelensky said, and they completely take it out of context. (I can't link as the post has swearing). I check their profile and it's all just anti-vaccine/chemtrails/conspiracy nonsense all the way through.

I really do think a lot of people with mental health issues have been cooped up during covid and just lost the plot.

edit: Who's know if it's even a real account. Active since March 2019.
 
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arknor said:
for what?
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For the defence of his nation, I would have thought that was obvious. Ukrainians have never forgotten what they suffered under Russia's USSR. What are they supposed to do, roll over and give Putin all the land he wants? Is that what we told France to do in WWII?

could have likely got peace and let putin have the small area he already has..
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'Small piece'? Putin's forces occupy ~20% of Ukraine. That's not a small piece. Why are you proposing that Ukraine should just keep giving up land in exchange for peace? Has that ever worked through human history? Is that what they should have done when Germany invaded Poland, and Denmark, and Norway, and...?
 
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Sankari said:
For the defence of his nation, I would have thought that was obvious. Ukrainians have never forgotten what they suffered under Russia's USSR. What are they supposed to do, roll over and give Putin all the land he wants? Is that what we told France to do in WWII?



'Small piece'? Putin's forces occupy ~20% of Ukraine. That's not a small piece. Why are you proposing that Ukraine should just keep giving up land in exchange for peace? Has that ever worked through human history? Is that what they should have done when Germany invaded Poland, and Denmark, and Norway, and...?
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How about if we get Putin to pinky swear that he won't liberate* any more of Ukraine? Surely that will be enough to secure peace and stop Zelenskyy and NATO from their war mongering ?

*obviously excepting any bits he still has to save from the Gay Trans Jewish Nazis.
 
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