Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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*Russia’s Defence Ministry: U.S. and Russian Defence Ministers Held Phone Call - IFX
*Russia’s Defence Ministry: Call Was Initiated by the American Side - IFX

*Austin: Just Got Off Phone With Russian Counterpart
*Austin: U.S. Will Continue to Fly and Operate Wherever International Law Allows
*Austin: Russia Must Operate Military Aircraft in a Safe and Professional Manner
*Austin: Russia Is Running Out Of Capability And Friends
*Austin: US Will 'Dig Deep' For New Ukraine Donations
*Milley: Russia Remains Isolated, Russia’s Military Stocks Rapidly Depleting, Military Leadership Failing Its Troops
*Austin Declines to Offer Details on Call With Russian Counterpart
*Milley: Plan to Speak With Russian Military Counterpart
*Milley: Russian Harassment of U.S. Drone Was Intentional; Not Clear if Physical Contact Between Russian and U.S. Aircraft Was Intentional
*Milley Declines to Say Whether the Drone Incident Could Be Considered an Act of War
*Milley: U.S. Drone Is Below 4,000 to 5,000 Feet of Water; It Broke Up and Would Be Difficult to Recover
*Milley: U.S. Took Mitigating Measures to Ensure There Is Nothing of Value on Downed Drone
*Milley: Drone Incident Is Part of a Pattern of Russian Behavior
https://www.defense.gov/News/Live-Events/#/?currentVideo=31416
 
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*Russia’s Defence Ministry: U.S. and Russian Defence Ministers Held Phone Call - IFX
*Russia’s Defence Ministry: Call Was Initiated by the American Side - IFX

*Austin: Just Got Off Phone With Russian Counterpart
*Austin: U.S. Will Continue to Fly and Operate Wherever International Law Allows
*Austin: Russia Must Operate Military Aircraft in a Safe and Professional Manner
*Austin: Russia Is Running Out Of Capability And Friends
*Austin: US Will 'Dig Deep' For New Ukraine Donations
*Milley: Russia Remains Isolated, Russia’s Military Stocks Rapidly Depleting, Military Leadership Failing Its Troops
*Austin Declines to Offer Details on Call With Russian Counterpart
*Milley: Plan to Speak With Russian Military Counterpart
*Milley: Russian Harassment of U.S. Drone Was Intentional; Not Clear if Physical Contact Between Russian and U.S. Aircraft Was Intentional
*Milley Declines to Say Whether the Drone Incident Could Be Considered an Act of War
*Milley: U.S. Drone Is Below 4,000 to 5,000 Feet of Water; It Broke Up and Would Be Difficult to Recover
*Milley: U.S. Took Mitigating Measures to Ensure There Is Nothing of Value on Downed Drone
*Milley: Drone Incident Is Part of a Pattern of Russian Behavior
https://www.defense.gov/News/Live-Events/#/?currentVideo=31416
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TIL the Black Sea is very deep with a maximum depth of 2,212 m

Well at least if Russia were to obtain it it would be a very expensive operation requiring the usage of UUV's, and honestly it probably wouldn't even be worth it to them because from the sounds of its in bits and it was probably self sabotaged before it even hit the sea. It's a recoverable asset loss for the US , but I do wonder if the US continues to send more and the Russians respond in this manner, what kind of measure can they do to put them off such a response.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Does he? He was desperately trying to get Obama out of Afghanistan in 2009.
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Pulling out in 2009 era would have sowed the seeds for further destabilisation in the region and a potential civil war within Afghanistan. By that point Afghanistan was a relatively contained conflict which was largely a drain on the US with limited scope for the US military industry.
 
Rroff said:
Pulling out in 2009 era would have sowed the seeds for further destabilisation in the region and a potential civil war within Afghanistan. By that point Afghanistan was a relatively contained conflict which was largely a drain on the US with limited scope for the US military industry.
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Pulling out at any time that would have happened, just as it did when they actually pulled out. IIRC he said it was unwinnable and a waste of US lives and $. To be fair he was proved exactly right. I get he has supported US wars in the past but that can be said for the vast majority of Congress and presidents.
 
I think I finally understand Putin's imperial insanity. He actually believes in a myth that Russia alone is the sole successor and inheritor of both the Greek and Roman empires and therefore anything that was part of those empires now belongs to Russia
 
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Rroff said:
I think he might find flying combat missions in Ukraine a very different kettle of fish - none the less as things stand there is a huge risk of being shot down by friendly fire as much as there is by enemy action - anyone taking to the skies of Ukraine is either incredibly brave, incredibly foolish or incredibly skilled.
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Someone with that level of experience surely has far more to offer in an advisor/consultant/trainer role then flying single missions that he could realistic not return from.
 
*France Accused of Delaying EU’s €2bln Plan to Replenish Ukraine’s Artillery Shell Stocks - The Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...elay-eu-2bn-plan-replenish-ukraine-artillery/

*Scholz in Speech Manuscript: We Will Discuss Framework Conditions for More Flexible State Aid Rules at EU Summit
*Scholz: EU Partners Will Agree to Further Measures for Better Continued Supply of Arms and Ammunition to Ukraine
*Scholz: We Are Prepared to Extend Our Procurement Projects to Other Member States

*Russian Defence Minister Shoigu: U.S. Drone Flights Near Crimea Are Provocative, Could Provoke Escalation: Ministry
*Russian-Backed Donetsk Leader Pushilin: Situation in Bakhmut Remains ‘Difficult’, No Indication Ukraine Will Withdraw From Bakhmut - RIA
 
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Grim5 said:
Republican senator wants Russian jets shot down if they try to attack US assets over international water again

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bingham67 said:
kyivindependent.com

Battle of Bakhmut: Ukrainian soldiers worry Russians begin to ‘taste victory’

Editor's note: The Kyiv Independent is not revealing the soldiers' surnames or the exact location of their deployment due to security concerns amid the ongoing war. Some military personnel spoke without the authorization of their commanders or a press officer. DONETSK OBLAST – Just days before...
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Something I've been saying for awhile - what Ukraine really needs right now is mobile artillery of the AHS Krab kind and lots of it along with SPAAGs like the Gepard to provide air defences, there is a lot of talk about main battle tanks and jets and sure Ukraine is going to need those but they are very much a secondary priority in what Ukraine needs to shore up its position and turn the momentum (at which point tanks will be needed).

Unlike the older Soviet kit, etc. stuff like the Krab are relatively quick to bring people up to speed on using as well.
 
Ukraine has lost quite a number of their krabs to russian suicide drones. Krabs are mobile but they cant defend themselves ukraine doesn't have enough anti air systems
 
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