If the average person is a total moron, he's more likely to elect a total moron in a democracy.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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If the average person is a total moron, he's more likely to elect a total moron in a democracy.
The people get the government they deserve?
Not quite sure that's working out too well for the people of Russia.
Oh, my mistake. You were talking about democracies.
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No idea I'm not a military advisor, but it would seem that so far no amount of negotiation has amounted to anything. If words fail action is needed. Considering that anything we do, Putin could leverage to his advantage anyway. That Anna the fact he controls nearly a 3rd of the had supply for most of Europe. If he doesn't supply it to the EU he will sell it to China instead.
The people get the government they deserve?
Not quite sure that's working out too well for the people of Russia.
Oh, my mistake. You were talking about democracies.
What has Russia has to do with anything? They are in a dictatorship.
This whole narrative that I'm pro Putin or Russia is rather boring at this point. I outlined my disdain for both many times, I see Russia/Putin as modern Hitler/Germany. Just as after WW1, I believe we are enabling this to repeat itself by taking wrong approach - our approach constantly allows Putin to intrench his position even further.
Like I said, its just sad that even on our 'western side' any opinion that seeks to solve issue with non mainstream means is labelled as pro russian and pro putin.
As of now, we're repeating pre WW2 history all over again. We've been squeezing Russia, I'm sure appeasement is coming in shortly followed by a war.
Our biggest weapon in de-arming Russia is to convince Russian people to go against Putin. So far, it seems our politicians and media are working 24/7 to make sure Putin entrenches himself even further. This latest daily invasion of Ukraine is really doing wonders for domestic propaganda in Russia.
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I wonder if in the 90's if Russia had invaded Kuwait, would we have gone to war with them instead of Iraq who were relatively easy pickings
If we really don't want Russia invading Ukraine then we would have to step in eventually if sanctions don't work, but we're obviously not all that bothered which is why sanctions is deemed enough even though it's obvious it isn't now
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Can anyone tell me when The West actually started giving the slightest flying **** about the Ukraine?
It wasn’t in the 1930s when Stalin’s collectivised farming starved millions of them to death in the Holodomor.
It wasn’t in WW2 when both the Germans and the Russians flattened the country.
It wasn’t during the Cold War as I can only remember Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland getting a mention.
It wasn’t in the 1930s when Stalin’s collectivised farming starved millions of them to death in the Holodomor.
It wasn’t in WW2 when both the Germans and the Russians flattened the country.
It wasn’t during the Cold War as I can only remember Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland getting a mention.
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No because there's no such country as the Ukraine.
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Are you a professional pedant?
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They had a "revolution" to rid themselves of a Russian proxy president and elect a pro-western govt in Kiev, our leaders like the idea of people throwing off their chains of oppression and embracing "democracy", however not enough to put boots on the ground in anything more than an advisory role or face the russians on teh battlefield. The americans do have a long history of support for Poland reaching right back into the soviet era and their attempts to overthrow their russian puppet leader via their Solidarity movement, hence they have sent sent actual troops to Poland in a message to Putin thats a line in the sand they won't let him cross. Though the US is going through an isolationist phase at the moment so knows what would actually happen if russian tanks lined on at the Polish border whether Biden could stay awake long enough to decide do something about it.
Otherwise the west seems to be prepared to let Putin rebuild the former soviet union piece by piece and if I were in Latvia, Estonia or Lithuania right now I'd be looking over my shoulder they have large russian minorities and they're non aligned iirc
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I see Lord Miles, after getting airlifted out of Afghanistan, travelling to Kazakhstan and Sudan, is now on the front lines in Ukraine. Mad lad.
Presumeably because during that time Ukraine was an occupied country of the USSR. Ukraine and its people have been treated terribly by east and west over the years.
It is as Independant as Scotland would like to be. It has never been a province of Russia. It was a territory of the USSR that failed union of 'socialist' states between 1919 and 1991 when it seceded as an independant country. It kicked out its pro Russian leader when he broke off negotiations to join the EU.
So it is a country as much as any are. Unless we want to go back to Scythia and reset all the borders from there.
So it is a country as much as any are. Unless we want to go back to Scythia and reset all the borders from there.
I was just generalising but they have an agreement to co-produce the TB2, Ukraine also has bought a variety of drones from Turkey including the TB2 and has their own for instance page 20 onwards here https://use.ua/en/catalog/aviation-equipment
I'm seeing some reports that at this rate Ukranian air-space will be closed as will their ports due to issues with insurance. Apparently insurers are seeing this as very high risk situation and pulling strings.
Are we playing into Putins hand here by creating such massive hysteria about invasion? Ultimately, the insurance companies are listening to the official US/NATO stances and making decisions.
Are we playing into Putins hand here by creating such massive hysteria about invasion? Ultimately, the insurance companies are listening to the official US/NATO stances and making decisions.
Kind of a catch-22 if Russia has built up a convincing enough amount of force you can't treat it as a not invasion. You have to put in place some kind of mitigations to blunt the effect.
perhaps this is part of the Tory plan. Promote all the children of the gentry to senior positions, transport them to the trenches and give them orders of the lemming. That would depopulate the gentry as it did in 17 and 39.
Do I believe we should support - yes. Is it an excuse to go smash the oiks to regale stories at garden parties. Well no. This government seems too keen to fluff the diplomacy and throw the body of the nation on the pyre to make Putin look good. Perhaps Putin’s oligarch Tory donor friends have that plan..
Well perhaps a smart move would have been to get everyone on same page in terms of sanctions. Warn Russians this is what will happen to you. Then sort of move back and dial down rhetoric? Just calmly announce that given Russian build-up of troops that are sustained, we will be providing Ukranian lethal aid until that situation dissipates.
Surely that would a) Make us seem like grown ups, b) Make us seem as credible, c) Provide Russians with incentive to stop the build up (removal of lethal support aid to UA), d) not damage Ukranian economy, e) not create a rift in attitude between Ukranian and NATO leadership
Instead, we have damaged Ukranian economy, caused rift in the opinions. Over-satured our news network into people not caring. And on top of that, assisted Putin with his domestic propaganda.
Given that Putin does not invade, he has achieved his goals. Meanwhile we lost credibility. The rhetoric that Putin will seem weak if he does not invade - is fallacy. Your average Russian at this point, does not believe that Russia will invade Ukraine (just what Putin says). He will not lose face with his domestic audience. As a dictator, that is his key metric. Furthermore, this hysteria and given that Russians do not invade - have pushed people into his propaganda even more.
Honestly, if Putin does not invade. I'd be very concerned that he planned all this hysteria to reach his own goals and corrupted our officials to play into it.
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Most tracked at the moment, wonder who or what is onboard 
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