Don't be so sure, you can't possibly close the door to future aggression unless of course we think the Ukraine is going to invade and conquer Russia not that even that guarantees no future aggression. If the Russians were to table that offer the pressure on Zelensky from the west would be absolutely massive and ultimately it will be the support of the West that decides when Zelensky has to draw a line.
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No he wouldnt, you might not have been listening to everything he said. The soviets must be expelled from ALL of Ukraine, and that includes Crimea. Wait till the counter invasion of Crimea starts and the Tata`s fight back
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I could see it but it doesn't really solve the "Russia killed a bunch of people and blew a bunch of stuff up" scenario.
In terms of peace deals, it wouldn't be the worst one on the table, and I suspect the end game would look similar to this, but Russia won't pay damages so they'll just me in a constant state of pariah state.
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Only guarantee for Russia not to try it again would be instant NATO membership for Ukraine the second any peace deal is signed. That means Orban and Erdogan also being squared away beforehand so they don't try anything on to hold up a deal for their own ends.
I think it would be easier to have the US+willing participants sign a separate defence agreement with Ukraine that completely ignores those morons.
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NATO is amazing and the only reason we haven't beaten Ukraine is cos we are fighting the whole alliance but NATO is **** cos it lost to Afghans with technicals & we will crush the alliance. We're totally not losing to its spares and leftovers.
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At this point everyone could slap military bases all over Ukraine, there's nothing Russia could do about it.
Though he'd likely try to use the deal to try and get something out of it Erdogan is pliable when it isn't something involving PPK. Orban is another matter.
I suspect something like this could be acceptable but I don’t know if Russia would accept it. China are sending a delegation to support negotiations.
The only deal is once RUssia is completely expelled from sovereign Ukrainian territory and pay reparations ands return all the children they stole.
No deal will happen until Russia are getting steamrolled - then they will accept a deal instead of full and total defeat.
The deal will have some sort of gesture that Putin can claim some victory from (everybody will know otherwise, even the Russians) then a couple of weeks later he will fall out of a window.
The deal will have some sort of gesture that Putin can claim some victory from (everybody will know otherwise, even the Russians) then a couple of weeks later he will fall out of a window.
But did it spontaneously catch fire or was there a missile/plane interface? It starts with it already on fire.
By using the T-14 for indirect fire support it frees up the T-62M/T-55 for frontline duty xD
Is "indirect fire support" a euphemism for shooting any retreating T-62/55s?
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Stricken £3.2BILLION Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales is reduced to acting as a scrap yard to keep sister ship Queen Elizabeth afloat - as questions are raised about its future
- It has been in dry dock since breaking down near Portsmouth in August 2022
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Published: 00:42, 23 April 2023 | Updated: 01:17, 23 April 2023
Britain's £3.2 billion aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales has been reduced to acting as a scrap-yard. Essential pieces of equipment are being ripped out of the stricken warship, a move that raises questions over its long-term future.
The UK's second carrier has been in dry dock since breaking down off Portsmouth in August 2022.
Now Navy top brass have begun stripping the carrier – a process known as 'cannibalisation' – which will render HMS Prince of Wales inoperable for much longer. Lift chains, which allow fighter jets to be raised from below deck, electrical systems and sections of the ship's gas turbines have been taken out.
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