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Sounds like they’ve gone into a state of denial now. For me, that’s a sign of rapidly increasing fear.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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It’s not like they’re definitely going to be invaded though is it? Like I said, they don’t believe it’s true, and I think they’re right.
Well I wish he'd get on with it or STFU.
Personally I think it's a done deal but I've got no real knowledge.
Well its a problem when we in the west do not trust our leaders about things like that.
thats a big fat tick box for putins agenda. Imagine getting to a point where people of your adversary do not believe their leaders about such serious topics
They haven't finished it yet, lol, probably because of US sanctions and Russia's sea based pipelaying ability isn't very adequate.
It was after the cold war, mainly because while Ukraine had been a willing and highly contributing member of the USSR they were the state who effectively tore it down. Having had enough of communism they voted to leave the USSR which gave Russia no choice but to dissolve it (as they couldn't afford to bankroll what was left of it by themselves) and in turning to capitalism/democracy they showed the most promise of any of the former Soviet Republics, this was furthered when they overnight became the third biggest nuclear power on the planet but then agreed to dispose of all of their nukes and delivery mechanisms, only the second nation in history to get rid of their nuclear arsenal (and South Africa only did it because the apartheid government didn't trust their successors with nuclear weapons).
Ukraine has been a country in it's own right for over thirty years now. Russia has no right to try and regain it.
I see seems odd then it being made a big thing in discussions.
Do you often talk to yourself?
I agree with the willy waving. Putin's testing the waters, if there are no obvious consequences I reckon he'll go for it. He's quickly learning that he'll be the next North Korea if he tries it on.
It's a bit difficult to quickly explain the intricacies of Ukrainian politics, but using a simple analogy, as we all know most people in the UK don't really care if it's Labour or the Tories running the country, there are strong views at either end of the spectrum but in general most people don't care, they will be happy for either to be in power until they royally screw up then the other gets voted in, until they screw up. Ukraine has a similar relationship with pro/anti Russian sentiment, some people are very anti Russia, some very pro-Russia, but most don't care enough to get angry about it let alone fight about it. Hence if Russia actually manage to take the country and install a puppet government most Ukrainians will simply just go with it. Many will be angry and even commit insurgency however many too will be happy with the outcome.
To give two examples that put this in clear perspective: In 2014 Ukrainian pro-Russian president Yanukovych and his government were ousted in the coup we all know about, after they refused to since the Association Agreement the EU had provided them with, so you would think that Ukraine was very pro-EU but only 45% of Ukrainians polled actually supported signing it (still much better than the 14% who wanted to join the customs union Russia/Belarus/Kazakhstan were offering) with 15% opposing either union and the rest undecided. And for the second example, Yanukovych and his government had originally been elected by the Ukrainian people back in 2010 on a platform that heavily included pausing Ukraine's entry into NATO, and improving it's ties with Russia, lol.
I think with China in your corner you(putin) won't be alone , like N korea - succour to the enemy should be met by sanctions too ?
his mini-me Truss - hadn't previously seen her full press conference answering the russian media questions - rogan has some competition
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meets with British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss in Moscow
Boris standing and jeering about nordstream doesn't help - he's upping the anti too,a disunified EU front.
his mini-me Truss - hadn't previously seen her full press conference answering the russian media questions - rogan has some competition
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meets with British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss in Moscow
It's very big, for Germany and for Europe they need cheap gas, and Nordstream 2 offers this. There is no transportation fees since it's coming direct from Russia directly to Germany. Ukraine and Belarus lose out on it being completed, and operational, but Belarus doesn't seem to care because they are effectively a puppet state, Ukraine are pretty fed up with having oligarchs corrupting their governance for decades, so they elect a former actor as president who to be fair it's also pretty debatable on what levels of shady business he too piously claims not to be engaged in. https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
So it seems if Russia cannot oust this guy because he's not toeing the line, then they'll find another way, like destabilize the country or why not just take it back slowly region by region? NATO at least I cannot see can categorically say they can guarantee Ukraine's security by conventional means, and neither can the US. But this is just my opinion, I don't think NATO could guarantee the security of any land based neighbouring country to China or Russia. Well maybe not India and Xi Jinping would have to be completely suicidal to want to target India because they are also a nuclear power, thankfully he seems far more interested in the South China Sea.
Nato and US literally at the top level officials - said they are not defending Ukraine against Russian invasion. They are already busy taking every single NATO soul out of Ukraine as to avoid any chance of confrontation. What many people have missed, is that this means US completely ignored Budapest memorandum so has the UK.
You can argue that Donbass/Crimea invasion was not official so Budapest memorandum is still in force. Because quite frankly, Ukraine has not declared war on Russia officially and neither has Russia declared war on Ukraine.
Well Biden and BJ came out and said, if Russia declares war and invades Ukraine - this time its clear fully and officially, we're backing out. Therefore completely tearing up commitment to Budapest Memorandum. Because even with Official war declaration from either Russia or Ukraine - the US and the UK made it clear, they are not getting involved.
Now this stuff is dangerous when the 'top dogs' dont honour any agreements.
In 2018 that agreement was still used during Kerch Strait incident (which is peanuts compared to stuff right now). Yet now, its been completely torn apart.
I am surprised that no one has paid attention for that huge of a concession. Since many argue the whole hybrid warfare was done by Russia to avoid bringing Budapest Memorandum into action.
Johnson is just using this to distract from his domestic **** storm. In truth he doesn't give two ***** about Ukraine or her people, all he cares about is that he can use it to move the news agenda away from his massive failings. None of the actual real players in this scenario give two ***** about what Johnson says either, he is just background noise.
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I’d hate to see the nato treaty itself tested. An attack against one could easily be ignored by the rest.
This is the concern i've been raising. There was already a hole blown into it with Turkey incident. Where Turkey shot down Russian jet in its OWN airspace. Yet NATO backed out of article 5 almost immediately and said Turkey is on their own.
Budapest memorandum is another one where we now officially said we're done with it. No one that high up in officials aka Biden and BJ said we're not fighting Russians in event of official invasion of Ukraine prior to recent history. Thats basically admitting that Budapest Memo is null and void.
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Every night in the past week i go to bed expecting to wake up in the morning with a BBC headline of a Russian invasion.
150k soliders !!! That's almost as much as the number at Normandy in WW2, on top of the modern technology, tanks and weapons. The mind boggles.
150k soliders !!! That's almost as much as the number at Normandy in WW2, on top of the modern technology, tanks and weapons. The mind boggles.
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