Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Didn't Russia say the same thing back In December, and they didn't really go anywhere. Not sure why people actually believe what Russia say in this situation

Obviously the proof will be in seeing them actually pull back; I'm not sure who I believe at this point - its only the UK and US who seem to be convinced that Russia is going to walk into Kiev tomorrow - I personally think that both Biden and Boris are hyping this up to deflect from their own domestic issues.
 
Can't quite believe that they follow through with the withdrawal and follow through on their actions.

Without another 'training exercise' beginning and double the amount of troops returning to the border with a.larger convoy. I'm not sure anyone trusts what they are saying this morning. Then again I don't trust what Boden and Boris are both saying either.

This has got a Bush and Blair feel to it.
 
Can't quite believe that they follow through with the withdrawal and follow through on their actions.

Without another 'training exercise' beginning and double the amount of troops returning to the border with a.larger convoy. I'm not sure anyone trusts what they are saying this morning. Then again I don't trust what Boden and Boris are both saying either.

This has got a Bush and Blair feel to it.
Totally the Wests fault that Russian troops are in an aggressive formation around a country well known that Russia want as there own.

Totally.
 
Russia: "Western countries have been disgraced"

Lol, they are so weak they have to resort to N Korea level rhetoric.

Embrassing to be honest.
 
Russia: "Western countries have been disgraced"

Lol, they are so weak they have to resort to N Korea level rhetoric.

Embrassing to be honest.
Western propaganda, not counties. Which is probably not wrong based on US seeming to be sure they are going to invade. Must have got bored after leaving Afghanistan and wanted to deal out some freedom again.

hopefully we can get back to U.K. issues now like the moron in charge
 
Russia: "Western countries have been disgraced"

Lol, they are so weak they have to resort to N Korea level rhetoric.

Embrassing to be honest.
The resultant hop up in the cold war that is to be expected will cost Russia in credibility as well as treasure for a good while. Expect even some disruption at the top if this is a climb down.
 
Western propaganda, not counties. Which is probably not wrong based on US seeming to be sure they are going to invade. Must have got bored after leaving Afghanistan and wanted to deal out some freedom again.

hopefully we can get back to U.K. issues now like the moron in charge

The only ones that look like stupid childish morons here are the Russians.
 
Didn't Russia say the same thing back In December, and they didn't really go anywhere. Not sure why people actually believe what Russia say in this situation

Yeah could well be a bluff.

I know Russia would love to regain Ukraine as part of it's state, but i don't think Russia actually wants to go to war with them either. They just really don't want Ukraine to join Nato or have any way of standing on their own two feet / being able to defend themselves against attack.
 
Putin will have given up a chance of ever having Ukraine as it will be armed to the teeth from now onwards.

I think he has calculated that would be a irrevocable lost in international relations. I thought this was simply to get the original Minsk agreements back on the table.
 
Western propaganda, not counties. Which is probably not wrong based on US seeming to be sure they are going to invade. Must have got bored after leaving Afghanistan and wanted to deal out some freedom again.

hopefully we can get back to U.K. issues now like the moron in charge

I mean Russia mobilising 70% of it's armed forces on the border with Ukraine would reasonably indicate a planned invasion, you seem annoyed that we couldn't establish their intent with 100% certainty?
 
Slightly off course. As an Infantry soldier in BAOR in the late '80's, in an Air Mobile Battalion, we had our exercises in late autumn (after the German farmers had harvested their sugar beet) these exercises were NOT held near the Dutch, Danish, French, Czech etc borders they were held pretty close to the then East German Border, ie where the West considered the threat to be: 3 Shock Army punching its way through the Inner German Border South of the Hartz Mountains through one of the Belgian armies and trying to cut off 1 BAOR Corps and head for the Channel Ports.

I'd suggest that Putin has few borders where he considers there to be a threat and possibly the only one being Ukraine? If Russia needs to do military exercises it would seem sensible to hold them pretty near to where they consider the threat.

For my sins I did a couple of Soviet Army Study courses, one thing which comes to mind was a photo of the world as seen by the West, ie UK in the centre of the map with NATO and Warsaw Pact countries highlighted. Then we were shown another map from above the North Pole with the NATO countries highlighted, certainly from a USSR they seemed to be surrounded. With many more ex Warsaw Pact countries having joined NATO, I'd suggest that Russia now feels even more surrounded.

In the days of the USSR it would have been easy to convince the population that NATO was hell bent on destroying the Soviet Union eg: the population couldn't travel abroad, no internet, social media etc. Now that people can travel (I've seen thousands of Russians in Goa) those same people probably view us in a different way, therefore Putin has to use other ways to convince his people of the NATO threat, closing down newspapers, banning political parties etc.

Russia asked to join NATO in 1954, perhaps we should have accepted them!
 
Putin will have given up a chance of ever having Ukraine as it will be armed to the teeth from now onwards.

I don't think he has ever wanted Ukraine in these circumstances, more like he just wants to keep them as a buffer state like Belarus and similar to what they want of the Baltics. It is understandable to a degree, even if it is simply to stave off the creep to their border of liberal democracies and agencies if only to protect their own racket within Russia.
 
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