Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
Laughable man, you can support Ukraine without literally swallowing your own sides propaganda
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You can support Russia without swallowing your own sides propaganda too :)

The BBC article today was merely speculating on facts. For example, the fact that a known Russian ship was moored above the location of the explosion for 24hr just prior to the incident.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
So transparent. You been talking to your "genuine Russian citizens and 100% not state actors" again?

As has been said so many times, Putin would have and has reduced the "buffer zone" more via his invasion than had he not have.
Finland, Probably Sweden (although not a direct border country) and probably, if they survive, Ukraine.

Moral degeneracy of the West, vs Russia. RUSSIA!
Christ, some of you really need to put your hatred of other peoples views into perspective.
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I always find the notion of NATO being a military threat to Russia amusing, sure NATO would kick their arses in a straight up fight but the people of NATO nations have no appetite for supporting an offensive war against Russia - it would be far too much of an inconvenience to the dull, pretentious lives of the average citizen.

Obviously Russia is within its right and would still be wise to take precautions domestically but invading a whole country because they are so afraid is unjustifiable paranoia and ultimately only something they are using as an excuse.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I do not support it, but i am entirely sympathetic to it as I can understand Russia wanting a buffer zone from the bellicosity and interfering of NATO and the general moral degeneracy of Europe and the west.

But that's as far as I will be drawn, I publicly said that I would remain away from contentiousness in this thread as I understand some are likely not to be mature enough to calmly discuss a view which is obviously somewhat alien to them, so I won't inflame the situation :)
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Oh yes, the highly moral murder and corruption of Russia. (And that's just the first two things, without me bringing in the complete and utter hypocrisy of them with other aspects).

You're a fool for believing the propaganda of why they invaded. They want Ukraine's resources, and military positioning it has nothing to do with morals. Let's be honest here though, that propaganda fits your own desire's, which is why you don't bother looking at reality, only what you want.

EDIT: The only reason you would need a buffer is if you want to be the aggressor, or are thinking aggressively. NATO is NOT an aggressor. Russia was up and coming again slowly, and decided to throw it all away. They want to be a world power just like China wants to be in control. Funny that NATO doesn't need a buffer when we have these aggressive countries on the border though right?
 
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Terminal_Boy said:
If Putin got Trump elected once, why didn’t he do it again to keep Biden out of the White House?
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There is only so much turd polishing you can do.
I don't think even Putin could manage enough once people had seen just how bad Trump was.

I mean in regards how he triggered so many to vote actively to keep him out.
(I dont think they voted for Biden in great numbers, I think they voted against Trump.)
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
There is only so much turd polishing you can do.
I don't think even Putin could manage enough once people had seen just how bad Trump was.

I mean in regards how he triggered so many to vote actively to keep him out.
(I dont think they voted for Biden in great numbers, I think they voted against Trump.)
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Wasn't that the same with Trump? He got the votes of the people that didn't want the criminal Hillary in the big hoos.
 

*Kremlin: Ukraine Tried to Hit Kremlin With Drone Overnight
*Kremlin: Two Drones Were Used in Attempted Attack
*Kremlin: Russian Defences Disabled the Drones
*Kremlin: Putin Not Injured in Attempted Attack
*Kremlin: No Material Damage to Building From Debris
*Kremlin: We Consider It a Planned Terrorist Attack
*Kremlin: We Consider It an Attempt on Putin’s Life
*Kremlin: Reserves the Right to Respond When and How It Sees Fit
*Kremlin: Putin’s Work Schedule Continues As Normal
*Kremlin: May 9 Victory Day Parade Will Go Ahead As Planned
*Kremlin: Putin Wasn’t in Kremlin at Time of Drone Attack
*Kremlin: Putin is Working in Novo Ogaryovo, Outside Moscow, on Wednesday

*Moscow Mayor: Bans Use of Unauthorised Civilian Drones in City
 
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Interesting Polish border guard running SAR patterns off Romania and Romania air force plane out with SAR ident (though might be coincidence but probably not). Along with a whole raft of NATO ISR assets. Even got what I think is a CIA plane - not sure that all are on the same operation though.

Also Romanian air force seemingly doing SAR along a strip north to south on the eastern side of Romania - possibly they lost a plane or maybe an errant Russian missile or drone headed that way.
 
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PlacidCasual said:
I saw that BBC, I just don't understand the strategic rationale for blowing up Nord Stream 2. I would have the thought "destroying" the Yamal, Brotherhood or Soyuz pipelines in Ukraine. Forcing Europe to buy via Nord Stream 2 and back feed Ukraine.

It always struck me that destroying Nord Stream 2 suited America's strategic aims more.

I wonder if we'll ever properly find out?
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Indeed, two ghost ships, with a Russian flag and transponder, run by Russian speaking Americans :p
 
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Terminal_Boy said:
Of course.
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Then why are you making stupid comments like the above then?

So there’s no evidence that Russia influenced as much as one voter in either campaign?
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There's abundant evidence that Russia has tried to influence the outcome of many campaigns in various countries. What the influence of those campaigns was is much less clear and nearly impossible to accurately ascertain for reasons that should be obvious.

Do you think there's any chance that Putin won't be trying to get Trump elected? Or that Trump getting elected won't seriously improve Russia's chances in Ukraine?
 
RossGReds said:
Sounds like they're being prepped to deliver some bad news in the hopefully not too distant future.
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They are just doubling down

On one hand they are saying if Ukraine is successful then it's not Ukraine it's NATO so no shame in that,

On the other if Ukraine fail they have defeated NATO.
 
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