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*NATO Intel Chief: There Are Heightened Concerns That Russia May Target Undersea Cables and Other Infrastructure
*NATO Intel Chief: Russia Is Actively Mapping Infrastructure Both on Land and Sea Base
*NATO Intel Chief: Russia Is More Active in Undersea Domain Than We Have Seen in Recent Years
*NATO Intel Chief: We See a Significant Risk That Critical Infrastructure in Europe and Potentially North America Can Be Targeted by Russia As Part of Its War on Ukraine

*Senior Ukraine Presidential Official: Ukraine Has Nothing to Do With Drone Strike on Kremlin
*Ukrainian Official: Attacking Kremlin Achieves Nothing, Changes Nothing on Battlefield
*Ukrainian Official: Such Actions Would Provoke Russia to Take ‘More Radical Actions’

*Russia’s Wagner Chief Prigozhin: I Believe Ukraine’s Counter-Offensive Has Already Started
 
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So, in reality the US, UK, Russia and China all try and influence elections, they have specific budget allocations in order to do this, literally all sides. They are all as bad each other and none of them give a **** about the average citizen, it is simply a high level strategic conflict to improve their own personal positions and keep their leaders in power, and keep the corporations who they represent wealthy, i.e. UK and US oil interests, Chinese companies in Africa, Russian oligarchs wealthy, etc. To view Russia as better or worse than the US is a little silly. The CIA's budget dwarfs anything except the Chinese budget, to think Russia is capable of influencing the outcome of a US election with some fake news stories on social media is pretty much a joke.
 
bris said:
Seriously, you really think if Trump is re-elected he wont end all aid for Ukraine.

Not only that but he will follow up on his plan to pull USA out of NATO, don't underestimate the power Putin has over Trump, its there for all to see.
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Trump told NATO to increase it's spending and stop buying Russian gas. If Putin had power over Trump, why would Trump tell the EU to stop buying gas from Russia?

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Trump says Germany is "controlled by Russia" at NATO meeting

President Trump railed against Germany for buying Russian gas while depending on NATO's help to curb Moscow's influence. He spoke at a NATO breakfast in Brus...
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It's unfortunate that there's direct evidence contradicting this opinion.

FYI Trump was also against Nordstream 2 as he's saying in this video, Nordstream was bad for US interests.
 
Roar87 said:
The BBC trying to make out like Russia blew up their own pipeline and it wasn't the UK/US lolol
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The BBC is not trying to 'make out' anything, it's simply reporting on the available information.

Chris Wilson said:
I do not support it, but i am entirely sympathetic to it as I can understand Russia wanting a buffer zone from the bellicosity and interfering of NATO and the general moral degeneracy of Europe and the west.
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Russia already had a buffer zone in the form of Ukraine. Invading Ukraine only takes her closer to the West and NATO members, how does this create a buffer zone? And with the world connected by TV, satellites, internet, etc. how does land create a buffer zone against 'degeneracy'?

You haven't even tried to think this through. It's like something I'd hear from an NPC in Oblivion.
 
Sankari said:
The BBC is not trying to 'make out' anything, it's simply reporting on the available information.



Russia already had a buffer zone in the form of Ukraine. Invading Ukraine only takes her closer to the West and NATO members, how does this create a buffer zone? And with the world connected by TV, satellites, internet, etc. how does land create a buffer zone against 'degeneracy'?

You haven't even tried to think this through. It's like something I'd hear from an NPC in Oblivion.
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With the US/NATO logistics reach capability the notion of a land buffer zone is kind of quaint and laughable in this day and age anyhow. I dunno the exact capabilities but at max mobilisation it can move a force equivalent to what Russia invaded Ukraine with (which took Russia months of effort) half-way around the globe in like 72 hours.
 
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Roar87 said:
Trump told NATO to increase it's spending and stop buying Russian gas. If Putin had power over Trump, why would Trump tell the EU to stop buying gas from Russia?
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I personally don't believe Putin had power over Trump, but there's no denying that Trump's grip on international affairs was laughably poor, and he was planning to withdraw from NATO.

I Alone Can Fix It: Donald J Trump’s Catastrophic Final Year is a behind-the-scenes account of Mr Trump’s last year in the White House, authored by Pulitzer Prize-winning reporters Phil Rucker and Carol Leonnig.

In an excerpt published in the Washington Post, Mr Trump is said to have lost the confidence of Defense Secretary Mark Esper. According to the book, Mr Esper confided in colleagues that he was rooting for Joe Biden to win the election because he believed he cared about national security.

“Esper couldn’t say the same about Trump. In fact, Trump had privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from Nato and to blow up the US alliance with South Korea, should he win reelection. When those alliances had come up in meetings with Esper and other top aides, some advisers warned Trump that shredding them before the election would be politically dangerous.

“Yeah, the second term,” Trump had said. “We’ll do it in the second term.”
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I don't think this had anything to do with Putin or Russia. I don't think Trump was influenced by them at all. I think he was just talking out of his arse as usual, because he simply does not understand geopolitics, and the realpolitik governing an alliance like NATO is beyond his comprehension.

Trump wanted to pull out of NATO because he considered it a waste of taxpayers' money and its aims ran contrary to his 'America first, let's stop being the world's policeman' philosophy, which is ironically a position I have some sympathy for.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
If Putin got Trump elected once, why didn’t he do it again to keep Biden out of the White House?
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Because Trump is so toxic the moderate republicans couldn't stomach voting for him again.

Its not like they voted for Biden, some would have but its more like they just didn't vote.

Not every Republican is MAGA there are a lot of Republicans who know trump is nuts and unfit to be president.

That's still the case, he wont win again.

His approval rating is a mere 25% that's very low. Only fear of him will get him the nomination to run.
 
Trump will always do whatever happens to serve the greater glory of Trump best in any given moment - he has an unhealthy admiration for Putin probably due to the strong man image seeming able to disassociate the negative aspects but I don't believe he is in Putin's pocket though Putin is able to hold some sway over him by manipulating Trumps vanity.
 
Sankari said:
I personally don't believe Putin had power over Trump, but there's no denying that Trump's grip on international affairs was laughably poor, and he was planning to withdraw from NATO.

I don't think this had anything to do with Putin or Russia. I don't think Trump was influenced by them at all. I think he was just talking out of his arse as usual, because he simply does not understand geopolitics, and the realpolitik governing an alliance like NATO is beyond his comprehension.

Trump wanted to pull out of NATO because he considered it a waste of taxpayers' money and its aims ran contrary to his 'America first, let's stop being the world's policeman' philosophy, which is ironically a position I have some sympathy for.
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I don't think Trump was a big fan of NATO, but this is merely speculation and hearsay, he's mentioned nothing about wanting to pull out of NATO. If he felt the US should pull out of NATO as part of 'America First' he would just say that, because he says everything else he thinks and believes. There's almost nothing Trump thinks that he doesn't articulate.
 
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The official word from the Kremlin is, 'They were trying to assassinate Putin.'

Russia accused Ukraine of attacking the Kremlin with drones overnight in a failed attempt to kill Vladimir Putin, according to state-run news agencies.

The Kremlin said it considered the attack to be a “planned terrorist action” and will retaliate “whenever and wherever it sees fit”, a Tass report said.

It said two drones had been used in the alleged attack, but had been disabled by Russian defences.

The Russian president was not injured, and there was no material damage to the Kremlin buildings, the Kremlin said.

Earlier, a Russian official said a fuel depot was on fire near a key bridge linking Russia’s mainland with Crimea. The claim followed days after Moscow blamed Ukraine for an attack on an oil depot in Sevastopol.

Flames and black smoke billowed over what appeared to be large tanks emblazoned with red warnings of “Flammable” in videos posted on Russian social media, though the clip could not be independently verified.
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Genuine attack by Ukraine, or false flag by Russia? It is hard to believe Ukrainian drones could reach this far into Russia without being spotted or challenged before they arrived at Moscow. I honestly have no idea what really happened here.

Roar87 said:
I don't think Trump was a big fan of NATO, but this is merely speculation and hearsay, he's mentioned nothing about wanting to pull out of NATO.
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It's not speculation. You can call it hearsay, but it comes from some of Trump's closest advisers. It has more weight to it than 'the US/UK blew up Nordstream 2.'

Roar87 said:
If he felt the US should pull out of NATO as part of 'America First' he would just say that, because he says everything else he thinks and believes. There's almost nothing Trump thinks that he doesn't articulate.
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He literally said it during his 2016 election campaign. In 2018, he discussed it privately with his staff. Last month, he accidentally claimed to have 'got rid of NATO' (he actually meant NAFTA) which strikes me as a pretty clear Freudian slip.
 
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