Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
Supposing it was the US or UK who did it via special forces with submarines, what evidence would there be? Does a lack of evidence mean it didn't happen?
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Yet a few weeks ago your entire evidence was a Ukrainian, a Pole who hired a boat and with a doctor went scuba diving to plant explosives....
 
Roar87 said:
You're quoting a video in which Joe Biden says verbatim the US will put an end to Nordstream 2 if Russia invades, and you're blaming it on Russia. I mean this goes beyond absurdity now.
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No, I am not blaming Russia I am offering doubt about the culprit.

I am 50/50 on it being the US or Russia and before the argument is remade about it being illogical for Russia... it really isn't when you think of them as conspiracy theorists as a government. We're talking about a country whose government rose to power off the back of some fairly suspect bombings of people's apartments, I do not believe blowing up a pipeline is out of reach.
 
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Harlequin said:
Yet a few weeks ago your entire evidence was a Ukrainian, a Pole who hired a boat and with a doctor went scuba diving to plant explosives....
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I never said that? lol

Harlequin said:
Yet you happily say that it was the USA that blew it up, without any evidence at all.
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I think the evidence is that they said they would do it and then it happened.

StriderX said:
No, I am not blaming Russia I am offering doubt about the culprit.

I am 50/50 on it being the US or Russia and before the argument is remade about it being illogical for Russia... it really isn't when you think of them as conspiracy theorists as a government.
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Ok man, have a good day.
 
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Minusorange said:
Seems sus
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I believe that was the second drone, so not surprising people were already filming and responding.

Ukraine had an apparently viable plan to fly a ton of these in which the US supposedly talked them out of so wouldn't surprise me if this was real though could just as easily be a false flag.

If this proves it viable though I suspect we'll see a lot more of these.
 
Rroff said:
I believe that was the second drone, so not surprising people were already filming and responding.

Ukraine had an apparently viable plan to fly a ton of these in which the US supposedly talked them out of so wouldn't surprise me if this was real though could just as easily be a false flag.

If this proves it viable though I suspect we'll see a lot more of these.
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I'm not saying they don't deserve it, but it seems a bit too obvious to be a Ukrainian attack
 
UK Rivet Joint operating over the Black Sea now - maybe I missed it but didn't see a Typhoon escort showing on flight radar this time though with the KC2 Voyager circling I'm assuming it is there to support them.
 
mburn_83 said:
I have set off more powerful fireworks -lol if that was a legit Ukrainian assassination attempt.
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Drones especially if flown long range have fairly limited payload for explosives - the main hope for something like this is setting off secondaries such as happened with oil depots over the last couple of days.

Seems most likely it was a remote detonation as it overflew the intended target as well though that seems a bit odd they didn't redirect or go around but if it was being piloted from extreme range maybe didn't have that luxury.
 
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Roar87 said:
You're quoting a video in which Joe Biden says verbatim the US will put an end to Nordstream 2 if Russia invades, and you're blaming it on Russia. I mean this goes beyond absurdity now.
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So you think the (Democrat) President of the US would say publicly he wants to stop NS TWO and then sanction an attack on European energy supplies, technically an act of war?
Not only that but the attack completely takes out both the NS ONE pipes, which were not in operation and one of the pair of NS 2.
Were not Russia hand wringing after sanctions hit saying they couldn't operate NS1 without a turbine being held by the Canadians due to those sanctions, who iirc said no, you can have it? Then, magically, boom NS 1 is offline just before winter leaving NS2 the only operable line.

If the US were willing to antagonise not only the whole western world with such an attack and destroy their base support back at home do you not think they'd have actually, you know, hit the intended target completely?!
Russia however seemed to have more to gain from the destruction of the pipes which were not pumping gas. I wonder if Gazprom was talking to insurers after the NS1 went pop. Folks were saying they should have been liable to western buyers for lack of supply?!

But you'll ignore this and trololol away.
 
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If they were Ukrainian drones then Putin's paranoia must be of the scale.

Laughable that the Kremlin calls it a terrorist attack when they go around targeting civilian's in Ukraine.
 
*Blinken: Cannot Validate Reports Ukraine Targeting Putin with Drone Strike
*Blinken: Says Take Anything Coming From Kremlin with a Large Shaker of Salt
*Blinken: Cannot Validate Reports on Kremlin Drone Strike, “We Simply Don’t Know”
*Blinken: U.S. Feels Confident Ukraine Will Have Success in Regaining More of Its Territory
*Blinken: Ukraine War is Already Strategic Failure for Russia
*Blinken: U.S. Determined to Sustain Support for Ukraine

*Zelenskiy: We Don’t Attack Putin or Moscow, We Fight on Our Own Territory
*Zelenskiy: We Didn’t Attack Putin, We Leave It to Tribunal
*Zelenskiy, Asked Why Russia Accusing Ukraine of Kremlin Attack: Putin Needs to Motivate His People, He Has No Victories
*Zelenskiy: I Dont See Russian Interest in Continuing Grain Deal
*Zelenskiy: But We Are Not Looking for Russian Interest, We Are Looking for Partners to Fulfil the Deal
 
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Roar87 said:
I never said that? lol



I think the evidence is that they said they would do it and then it happened.



Ok man, have a good day.
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Again, learn what a false flag attack is.
Then look up when Russia has used them on its own citizens.
Hell you can even see Russia mentioned in below link trying to create false flags in regards the Ukraine.

Then ponder how it may have decided that a false flag attack on its SELF IMPOSED SHUT DOWN pipeline may seem like a good idea in order to get some really hard of thinking people to go "LOOK!!!!!111!! the US blew up Russias pipeline"

en.wikipedia.org

False flag - Wikipedia

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None of the actors (its wider than simply US/Russia here), including Ukraine can be ruled in or out.
Only a few people realistically will know and they would be the ones who performed it, and those who sent them.
 
So Russian ships shown to be in the area of the explosions when they happened. One of the ships capable of launching mini subs. Russia famous for false flags. Destroying the pipeline costs them nothing but allows them to blame the West and they hoped for a brutal winter in Europe which thankfully didn't materialise.

www.reuters.com

Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts - Nordic broadcasters report

Three Russian navy ships were observed in the Baltic Sea in the area of the Nord Stream pipeline blasts prior to the sabotage that halted Russian gas flows to Europe in September last year, an investigation by four Nordic broadcasters has found.
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Russian navy vessels seen near Nord Stream before blasts - Nordic broadcasters report​


COPENHAGEN, May 3 (Reuters) - Three Russian navy ships were observed in the Baltic Sea in the area of the Nord Stream pipeline blasts prior to the sabotage that halted Russian gas flows to Europe in September last year, an investigation by four Nordic broadcasters has found.

The Russian navy ships were traced using satellite images and intercepted radio communication from the Russian fleet, the four broadcasters, Denmark's DR, Norway's NRK, Sweden's SVT and Finland's Yle, said.
Authorities in Denmark, Sweden and Germany have said the explosions that ruptured the Nord Stream 1 and newly-built Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines that link Russia and Germany across the Baltic Sea were deliberate. But they have yet to publish any findings of their respective investigations.

The Nordic broadcasters found that in June and September last year, the Russian ships sailed from navy bases in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad to the area northeast of the Danish island of Bornholm where three of the four pipeline leaks happened.

One of the vessels, a tugboat named SB-123 capable of launching mini-submarines, was located in the area on Sept. 21 and 22, they found.
Separately, the Danish Armed Forces confirmed to Reuters that a patrol vessel had taken 26 photos of a Russian submarine rescue vessel named SS-750 near the Nord Stream blast site on Sept. 22 last year, just days before the explosions happened.

The incident took place seven months into Russia's war on Ukraine. The Kremlin on Tuesday denied Russian ships had any involvement in the sabotage and called for results of the investigations to be published.

Moscow has, without providing evidence, blamed the explosions on Western sabotage. Both the United States and Ukraine have denied having anything to do with the attacks as has Russia.

The Russian ships traced by the four broadcasters had all switched off their AIS signal, an automatic tracking system used on ship, they said. One of the ships in the area was Russian navy research vessel Sibiryakov, satellite images indicated.
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