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Scougar said:
Going slightly off topic here, but when you look at many major cities in the US, you will see crazy levels of homelessness in the past 5 years. People crapping on shop doorsteps, tents everywhere. Drug addicts off the charts.

We (USA) are not fixing these societal problems, whilst dumping billions into Ukraine. In some ways, it is justified to call this out. However, to me, that is a separate problem. I could call out the gov spent X on Y but not on Z etc for just about anything.
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The counter arguement is quitre simple - the weapons being sent to Ukraine are end of life , out of date and non upgradable or prototypes being field tested. Those F16`s are coming from the bone yard or similar, going out of fleet models. The numbers are in the budget figures, the USA gets the new kit. This is literally WW3 thats being fought, in Ukraine, and USA are spending 5% of its budget to put Russia back to the october revolution.

Blame you Senators and Governors for not prioritising the reasons why people are homeless, the Federal government are doing what it has a mandate for - keep America Free.
 
Scougar said:
Going slightly off topic here, but when you look at many major cities in the US, you will see crazy levels of homelessness in the past 5 years. People crapping on shop doorsteps, tents everywhere. Drug addicts off the charts.

We (USA) are not fixing these societal problems, whilst dumping billions into Ukraine. In some ways, it is justified to call this out. However, to me, that is a separate problem. I could call out the gov spent X on Y but not on Z etc for just about anything.
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I'm not sure selling older hardware to Ukraine that has to be repaid eventually is 'dumping billions' personally.
 
potatolord said:
I'm pretty surprised that 34% view Ukraine unfavourably. Just why?
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Mostly general unhappiness at the war and contrarianism, I'd think, together with some amount of resentment towards the amount of support sent their way But Ukraine is also a fairly unstable, highly corrupt nation with a lot of Soviet connections; that probably also plays a part.
 
potatolord said:
I'm pretty surprised that 34% view Ukraine unfavourably. Just why?
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I would blame Trump and his MAGA loonies for that. He's always idolised Putin and tried to screw Ukraine over when in office.

He and his followers have been talking **** about Ukraine throughout the war. Tucker Carlson's show had millions of viewers until he was fired recently and he regularly slagged Ukraine off and defended Russia.

I personally attribute Trump as the origins of all those views.
 
Scougar said:
Going slightly off topic here, but when you look at many major cities in the US, you will see crazy levels of homelessness in the past 5 years. People crapping on shop doorsteps, tents everywhere. Drug addicts off the charts.

We (USA) are not fixing these societal problems, whilst dumping billions into Ukraine. In some ways, it is justified to call this out. However, to me, that is a separate problem. I could call out the gov spent X on Y but not on Z etc for just about anything.
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That sounds like socialism to me.
 
potatolord said:
I'm pretty surprised that 34% view Ukraine unfavourably. Just why?
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Some weirdo "leftists" US equivalents of the Jeremy Corbyn stop the war types and many of the usual antifa/BLM crowd are basically not too different to old school tankies. Also, the other political loonies are some of the MAGA types who seem to have some reactionary being anit any "current thing" whether it's vaccines or whatever, they'll want to be "free thinkers" and oppose whatever the "main stream media" is telling them.
 
Scougar said:
Going slightly off topic here, but when you look at many major cities in the US, you will see crazy levels of homelessness in the past 5 years. People crapping on shop doorsteps, tents everywhere. Drug addicts off the charts.

We (USA) are not fixing these societal problems, whilst dumping billions into Ukraine. In some ways, it is justified to call this out. However, to me, that is a separate problem. I could call out the gov spent X on Y but not on Z etc for just about anything.
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The problem with this argument is that Ukraine in general isn't getting cash handouts. The US gives them old stockpiles of weapons, you can't give a homeless man a javelin, he will still be homeless.

They are two seperate issues all together


Off the top of my head, in the US you can only get unemployment money from the government for a few months and then it stops so if you can't work for a long time due to some issue so may be screwed. Does the US have social housing? Maybe the government should build social housing, many EU countries have huge amounts of social housing


These issues are all over the world though; even in a fast growing economy like China, they have huge issues with homelessness and that's a country which is estimated to have several million more homes then they need and they just sit empty
 
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Rroff said:
Something which in a way amuses me - got people on these forums and elsewhere trumping up the Biden "wins" but the every day American person isn't feeling those wins - much of it headline "wins" where months or years down the line nothing of substance has actually been done or only fractions of the money promised has actually come through etc.
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Basically the same in the UK. USA like UK has been on a long term decline.
Even when we start to turn it around its going to be a long time before those at the bottom really see an improvement.

Thats assuming we even honestly try.
 
Grim5 said:
The problem with this argument is that Ukraine in general isn't getting cash handouts. The US gives them old stockpiles of weapons, you can't give a homeless man a javelin, he will still be homeless.

They are two seperate issues all together
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Homeless guy may be able to get rich though with that Javelin if he sells it to a Mexican drug cartel ;)
 
S.A.S said:
I instantly want to think these are cheap and nasty based on their origin but i have no idea how good chinas military stuff actually is Or isn’t.
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Chinese manufacturing is top of the line, some of the best in the world (no joke).

Generally speaking if you ever see something that was made in China and it's of garbage construction and/or material quality, that's because the western company that outsourced it's production to China specifically asked for garbage construction and/or material quality in order to keep costs down.

The reason you don't see stuff coming in from China that matches top US/European quality is simply because if you ask for that quality you have to pay for it, and then you have to ship it from China, and then you would have to pay import taxes, and then you paid more than it costs to get it produced domestically.
 
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Grim5 said:
The problem with this argument is that Ukraine in general isn't getting cash handouts. The US gives them old stockpiles of weapons, you can't give a homeless man a javelin, he will still be homeless.

They are two seperate issues all together
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Yes. They are separate. I'm not suggesting the argument has merit. With printing money, and sending equipment to Ukraine, you can see why people think this though.

"Give a mouse man a cookie Javelin and...."
 
Wonder what would happen if Ukraine asked the UN, or even their NATO allies, to provide personnel to help with humanitarian aid in the areas affected by the rising water levels? Would Russia dare to fire on them?
 
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ubersonic said:
Chinese manufacturing is top of the line, some of the best in the world (no joke).

Generally speaking if you ever see something that was made in Japan and it's of garbage construction and/or material quality, that's because the western company that outsourced it's production to China specifically asked for garbage construction and/or material quality in order to keep costs down.

The reason you don't see stuff coming in from China that matches top US/European quality is simply because if you ask for that quality you have to pay for it, and then you have to ship it from China, and then you would have to pay import taxes, and then you paid more than it costs to get it produced domestically.
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So why can’t we get the trash made domestically too?
 
Malevolence said:
Wonder what would happen if Ukraine asked the UN, or even their NATO allies, to provide personnel to help with humanitarian aid in the areas affected by the rising water levels? Would Russia dare to fire on them?
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My gut feel would be no
But that it would happen anyway due to the shockingly poor communication they have
 
Rroff said:
They are not a vehicle you'd want to be in anywhere near actual fighting
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In fairness, if it was a choice between that and what it's replacing I'd hop right in ^^

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