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Roar87 said:
The Treaty of Versailles is a Youtube opinion now? What do you think caused the rise of the Nazi party? If millions of people can't provide food for their family and a group of outside nations are imposing a "War guilt clause" on your country forcing war reparations, you'll likely feel resent towards them that may culminate in you electing a bloke like Adolf Hitler who created jobs. You can't simply punish millions of people and place them in harsh economic conditions, especially following the 1929 Great Depression. It doesn't work.
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This shows you havent watched the documentary i linked.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Yep at least this was a lesson learned from history.

The French literally used to ride in to collect their monies from Germany.
People facing hardship wont enjoy having their noses rubbed in it. When someone comes along and promotes the future being rosy its no surprise Farage Hitler did so well...
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Russia will not be accepting unconditional surrender, so there maybe little other option than to go down the repetitions route.
 
Hades said:
I have blood on my hands because I believed my government. I shouldn't have. I should have protested instead but I didn't. So I have to share a degree of blame for the trust I put in my government.
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Likewise, I was fully supportive under the pretenses at the time. I'm under no illusion that in hindsight we all got duped. It's not the first and it won't be the last time. However, different conflicts, different circumstances.
 
Dis86 said:
Control is maintained through the actions or inactions of individuals.
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Easy to say living where we do.

Keeping your population on the verge of starvation or actively removing the brightest of your population to maintain control somewhat limits what the masses are able to achieve.
 
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Harlequin said:
This shows you havent watched the documentary i linked.
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It was interesting and obviously there's a lot of nuance, but the documentary shows that the Treaty of Versailles was something constantly referenced and blamed for the economic conditions in intra war Germany, along with obviously the Jews.
 
Roar87 said:
I was infact making a rhetorical point. The main issue leading to WW2 was the actions of the allies post WW1. Most Germans in the 1920's had no job, no food, they simply couldn't provide for their families. Of course they went out and voted for the man who said he could change that, and in fact did change that for a while. If that was the situation in the UK most of us would vote for him as well.

Perhaps making "all" people guilty and subject to harsh penalties might not be the answer if we use that point in history as a learning tool.
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No, the main issue that led to ww2 was Germany invading Poland, and refusing to withdraw when issued with an ultimatum to do so.

Beyond that it's all chit chat.
 
That trench footage certainly is something. It's weird for me as someone who has done simillar in Afghan with compound clearing and has never shown my own helmet cam footage to see it so freely available. Different times I guess. My heart was pounding when watching it.
 
Roar87 said:
It was interesting and obviously there's a lot of nuance, but the documentary shows that the Treaty of Versailles was something constantly referenced and blamed for the economic conditions in intra war Germany, along with obviously the Jews.
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Its effectively 15 years between the end of WW1 and the Nazis - the Weimar Republic, and yes teh Treay of Versailles did have a large roll to play BUT, it wasnt the only 1. The allied invasion of the Rhineland in 1923 by France and Belgium (France had already deaulted Gmeran reparation payments in 1922) , further pushed the people (as @Mercenary Keyboard Warrior suggested above attacking a people when they face down in the dirt doesnt end well). The Dawes Plan was the result, the allies left the Rhineland are trying to strip it, and the USA bank rolled Germany and its debt ( Might be a theme there). On the back of the internal; strife, Hitler saw a moment with teh Beer Hall Putsch, and it failed. The period of 1925 > 1929 saw growth in Germany and a positive outlook BUT, it couldnt last as Brunings policy of deflation (in 1930) had a diasasterous effect once most of the west started to abandon the Gold Standard at a similar time. By 1933 Germany was falling apart, even worse than after WW1 and all it took is 1 populist and the rest was history.
 
potatolord said:
No, the main issue that led to ww2 was Germany invading Poland, and refusing to withdraw when issued with an ultimatum to do so.

Beyond that it's all chit chat.
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There was no World War when Germany invaded Poland, that led to the phoney war where troops were mostly sat around bored. They called it the "Bore War". There wasn't much even in the way of hostilities between Germany, France and Britain. Despite the declaration of war, nothing really happened until Germany invaded France.
 
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potatolord said:
No, the main issue that led to ww2 was Germany invading Poland, and refusing to withdraw when issued with an ultimatum to do so.

Beyond that it's all chit chat.
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I would arge it wasnt or rather the events leading to it started the year earlier - AND why the BBC video is spot on.

The west didnt act when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia in October 1938 as hitler wasnt ready economically for a war before 1940 (hence the phoney war after september 1939); history has a way of repeating itself. The west didnt act in 1938 and ww2 started with another invasion in 1939. Russia invaded crimea in 2914 and the west didnt act, so here we are in 2023
 
Roar87 said:
There was no World War when Germany invaded Poland, that led to the phoney war where troops were mostly sat around bored. They called it the "Bore War". There wasn't much even in the way of hostilities between Germany, France and Britain. Despite the declaration of war, nothing really happened until Germany invaded France.
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Oh, come on.

A formal declaration of war was made by the UK in September 1939. It was a period of frantic mobilisation across Europe.

As for "phoney war", it wasn't phoney to the poles who saw their country burned or the British sailors who were sunk at sea.
 
potatolord said:
Oh, come on.

A formal declaration of war was made by the UK in September 1939. It was a period of frantic mobilisation across Europe.

As for "phoney war", it wasn't phoney to the poles who saw their country burned or the British sailors who were sunk at sea.
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Hitler and Stalin had already agreed to remove Poland from the map
 
potatolord said:
Oh, come on.

A formal declaration of war was made by the UK in September 1939. It was a period of frantic mobilisation across Europe.

As for "phoney war", it wasn't phoney to the poles who saw their country burned or the British sailors who were sunk at sea.
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Britain definitely declared war, it's just instead of strategic bombing we dropped leaflets after the US asked us not to do anything that might kill civilians, Germany agreed to the same thing. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
 
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Roar87 said:
There was no World War when Germany invaded Poland, that led to the phoney war where troops were mostly sat around bored. They called it the "Bore War". There wasn't much even in the way of hostilities between Germany, France and Britain. Despite the declaration of war, nothing really happened until Germany invaded France.
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So it was like a special military operation?
 
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