Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[kitkat9933]

Would he? Do you know him personally?

I wouldn't bet on that - officially there is a complicated procedure but in reality Putin could bypass that depending on the loyalty of and/or how much those in the chain of command felt compelled.

If his back is to the wall Putin absolutely would attempt to use nuclear weapons in some capacity if he felt it necessary.

 

[Freddie1980]

If Putin wants to remain hidden I doubt he'll ever be found given how big Russia is and how many loyalists he has.

 

[Jono8]

True. But that doesn't there aren't good and bad ways for things to unravel. The ideal would be a reformed Russia joining the family of European nations; but there seems little chance of that.

Yeh, I doubt they will be joining the European/western community

Best result would be Putin out, Ukraine pull out and then they go back to how they were in the early 2000's in terms of western relations.

 

[Jokester]

Will be interesting to see how this impacts the Russian forces in Ukraine, may need to pull out 10,000s of troops to deal with the coup, or indeed the Russian military themselves might just shrug and ask Prigozhin what his orders are.

 

[StriderX]

If Putin wants to remain hidden I doubt he'll ever be found given how big Russia is and how many loyalists he has.

I'm sure Gaddafi or Saddam thought the same before they were executed.

 

[Rroff]

So will Prigozhin take Moscow in 3 days?

 

[potatolord]

I initially suspected thuls was an attempted shakedown by prigozhin, but it seems to have escalated somewhat.

 

[Jokester]

So will Prigozhin take Moscow in 3 days?

Will have time to spare.

 

[Uther]

Prigozhin is, if anything, less known for honesty than Putin. But I don't see Prigozhin neatly capturing the Russian state even if he wins, he doesn't have the connections. Either he'll get rapidly deposed, or we'll see a spiralling series of infighting/rebellion events as he struggles to control a vast and varied country.

And while the utter collapse of Russia would be a fitting epitaph to Putin, it's going to lead to decades of bloodshed and strife if it happens.

I think that's inevitable now really, so if it means Putin ending up falling out of a window then so be it.

 

[StuBob]

Have the 'strongman' Putin and Russia supported had their Internet cut off or something?

A few of these types are noticeably absent from this thread since these developments...

Anyone know The Hague opening hours?

 

[StriderX]

Have the 'strongman' Putin and Russia supported had their Internet cut off or something?

A few of these types are noticeably absent from this thread since these developments...

They're too busy running for being too close to the FSB or preparing to join the rebellion.

 

[Freddie1980]

There is Navalny, but I doubt he will be allowed to assume power unless Putin's whole support structure goes. Navalny is imperfect, but a lot better than Putin.

He plays a character for western audiences as being this educated, well spoken, charming anti Putin leader. He's called Putin out corruption but not his nationalist agenda and military operations. It's just a mask to hide his own imperialist ambitions imo.

 

[Uther]

The fun bit is seeing the puppet Lukashenko doing a runner before he ends up swinging from a lamp post. The gigs up it seems.

 

[Mr Jack]

I initially suspected thuls was an attempted shakedown by prigozhin, but it seems to have escalated somewhat.

I wonder whether it started that way, but he overplayed his hand, and misjudged Putin's reaction. Either way, it's a civil war now.

 

[potatolord]

I wonder whether it started that way, but he overplayed his hand, and misjudged Putin's reaction. Either way, it's a civil war now.

It does feel a bit like that, doesn't it?

 

[ubersonic]

Seeing reports the Wagner's claims of ammo shortages for months were just a ruse as they were stockpiling it, along with captured javelins, manpads, etc. This has obviously been planned for a long time.

 

[StriderX]

Wonder what Eastern Russia does here? Logically they should ignore both sides and hope China takes them.

 

[Begbie]

Seeing reports the Wagner's claims of ammo shortages for months were just a ruse as they were stockpiling it, along with captured javelins, manpads, etc. This has obviously been planned for a long time.

Think this is just opinion pieces, right?

 

[MrMarvelous]

Seeing reports the Wagner's claims of ammo shortages for months were just a ruse as they were stockpiling it, along with captured javelins, manpads, etc. This has obviously been planned for a long time.

Nail on the head.

 

[StuBob]

So the 3 days to Kyiv operation (16 months and counting now further away than when they started) and it looks like it's going to take less than 24 hours for Moscow to fall.

Hopefully if nothing else Putin is handed over when this plays out which is looking pretty soonish.