Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Jono8 · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:18

Mr Jack said:
True. But that doesn't there aren't good and bad ways for things to unravel. The ideal would be a reformed Russia joining the family of European nations; but there seems little chance of that.

Yeh, I doubt they will be joining the European/western community

Best result would be Putin out, Ukraine pull out and then they go back to how they were in the early 2000's in terms of western relations.

Jokester · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:18

Will be interesting to see how this impacts the Russian forces in Ukraine, may need to pull out 10,000s of troops to deal with the coup, or indeed the Russian military themselves might just shrug and ask Prigozhin what his orders are.

StriderX · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:19

Freddie1980 said:
If Putin wants to remain hidden I doubt he'll ever be found given how big Russia is and how many loyalists he has.

I'm sure Gaddafi or Saddam thought the same before they were executed.

Rroff · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:19

So will Prigozhin take Moscow in 3 days?

potatolord · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:20

I initially suspected thuls was an attempted shakedown by prigozhin, but it seems to have escalated somewhat.

Jokester · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:21

Rroff said:
So will Prigozhin take Moscow in 3 days?

Will have time to spare.

Uther · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:21

Mr Jack said:
Prigozhin is, if anything, less known for honesty than Putin. But I don't see Prigozhin neatly capturing the Russian state even if he wins, he doesn't have the connections. Either he'll get rapidly deposed, or we'll see a spiralling series of infighting/rebellion events as he struggles to control a vast and varied country.

And while the utter collapse of Russia would be a fitting epitaph to Putin, it's going to lead to decades of bloodshed and strife if it happens.

I think that's inevitable now really, so if it means Putin ending up falling out of a window then so be it.

StuBob · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:22

Have the 'strongman' Putin and Russia supported had their Internet cut off or something?

A few of these types are noticeably absent from this thread since these developments...

Anyone know The Hague opening hours?

StriderX · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:23

StuBob said:
Have the 'strongman' Putin and Russia supported had their Internet cut off or something?

A few of these types are noticeably absent from this thread since these developments...

They're too busy running for being too close to the FSB or preparing to join the rebellion.

Freddie1980 · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:23

ltron said:
There is Navalny, but I doubt he will be allowed to assume power unless Putin's whole support structure goes. Navalny is imperfect, but a lot better than Putin.

He plays a character for western audiences as being this educated, well spoken, charming anti Putin leader. He's called Putin out corruption but not his nationalist agenda and military operations. It's just a mask to hide his own imperialist ambitions imo.

Uther · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:23

The fun bit is seeing the puppet Lukashenko doing a runner before he ends up swinging from a lamp post. The gigs up it seems.

Mr Jack · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:23

potatolord said:
I initially suspected thuls was an attempted shakedown by prigozhin, but it seems to have escalated somewhat.

I wonder whether it started that way, but he overplayed his hand, and misjudged Putin's reaction. Either way, it's a civil war now.

potatolord · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:24

Mr Jack said:
I wonder whether it started that way, but he overplayed his hand, and misjudged Putin's reaction. Either way, it's a civil war now.

It does feel a bit like that, doesn't it?

ubersonic · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:24

Seeing reports the Wagner's claims of ammo shortages for months were just a ruse as they were stockpiling it, along with captured javelins, manpads, etc. This has obviously been planned for a long time.

StriderX · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:25

Wonder what Eastern Russia does here? Logically they should ignore both sides and hope China takes them.

Begbie · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:26

ubersonic said:
Seeing reports the Wagner's claims of ammo shortages for months were just a ruse as they were stockpiling it, along with captured javelins, manpads, etc. This has obviously been planned for a long time.

Think this is just opinion pieces, right?

MrMarvelous · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:26

ubersonic said:
Seeing reports the Wagner's claims of ammo shortages for months were just a ruse as they were stockpiling it, along with captured javelins, manpads, etc. This has obviously been planned for a long time.

Nail on the head.

StuBob · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:29

So the 3 days to Kyiv operation (16 months and counting now further away than when they started) and it looks like it's going to take less than 24 hours for Moscow to fall.

Hopefully if nothing else Putin is handed over when this plays out which is looking pretty soonish.

Harlequin · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:29

Where are the usual suspects....

steve45 · 24 Jun 2023 at 13:30

The Committee of Bashkir Resistance, a separatist partisan group in Bashkortostan, Russia, have reacted to ongoing events with Prigozhin and seem to be seizing the moment: "we recommend that all residents of large cities in the republic of Bashkortostan leave the city. Things will start soon."

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Legit? Unrest Spreading further through Russia? Not familiar with this region's beef with Moscow. Anyone know more detail on this one? History behind it?