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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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35 have been visually confirmed on Oryx since Feb-22. From June this year this is 4th KA-52's Ukraine has claimed to have shot down plus Russia lost another one recently to Wagner (so 5 KA-52's in total since June 2023).
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No Twitter account? though they've broken a lot of stuff over the weekend even people with accounts are having a lot of issues.
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The place is so heavily mined that even if russia wanted to retake it, it will end up taking them far longer than they had planned.. best mine the Russian border.. on their side and see how they like it.
If you don't have an account, that is what happens now.
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Tried deleting my account earlier. Wrong password bizarrely ....
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The mods have said they're looking at options to crack down on it.
Should have been done weeks ago IMO as the twitter spam has turned what was for years the highest quality thread in GD into a glorified random image thread
The Bradley was the same at one point too. After they decided to add a turret to it so it could double as a scout they then added a cannon to it so it could double as fire support, after which they realised they had basically made a tank with zero armour so had to buff the armour reducing it's speed xD
While the arrival of F-16s won't instantly win the war they will instantly turn the tide of the air war, just like Javlin, NLAW, HIMARS did for the ground war. The biggest problem the Ukrainian air force currently have is that they're completely hamstrung buy the fact the Russian air force have planes that can shoot their planes down before they even get chance to fire back* (due to a combination of more advanced radar and missiles), an influx of modern F-16s would completely reverse that position (due to the even more advanced radar and missiles).
With F-16s making sure no Russian planes could get close enough to threaten Ukraine's Su-24/25 aircraft that would drastically increase their operational capability, and potentially even free up the remaining MiG-29 and Su-27 aircraft to conduct air to ground and SEAD missions, these could then be joined by the Australian F/A-18s when they arrive, greatly increasing Ukraine's air to ground capability.
*Technically speaking they could probably get a shot off if they decided not to try an evade the incoming missile but that's not a realistic scenario.
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Strong worlds by Zelenskyy today, while it would be remiss at this point to shrug off the idea of Ukraine one day having the military capability to retake Crimea, you have to question if at the point they get there would they have the political and morale willingness to try and retake it, no doubt attempting to do so would cost a lot of lives. Then you've got the factor that crazy Russia would class that as an invasion of Russian soil which brings tactical nukes onto the table.
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Probably best chance of taking it back so why not.
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The AMX10 is an old school tank destroyer - big gun on a mobile chassis but sod all armour. As a recce vehicle it could be compared to the Scorpion
Well they already officially annexed Zaporizhzhia and Kherson so technically from a Russian perspective, Ukraine already are attacking and taking Russian and there are no nukes being fired.
Although I think your point is still valid in that they've illegally held Crimea since 2014, so it's not the same. The population there is going to be much more pro-Russian due to a combination of Russians resettling there and the people there living under nearly 10 years of Russian propaganda. So I think a better question would be if the population is genuinely more in favour of remaining Russian (I'm not saying they are, I don't know), would Ukraine receive international support in trying to retake it?
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I apologise in advance as this is going to seem overly harsh I know but this is a fantastic example of when I said - people who are not experts but have read some media stories are just saying things which are just plain wrong, as if their opinion is reality when it is far from the case.
In reality, F-16's alone without the rest of the force multipliers NATO/US uses, as shown below, are in for a very tough battle, even if they are given the later F-16C Block 50/52 versions rather than updated but retired export versions which is what is being aimed for (F-16A/B Block 20/30 MLU versions) -
- They have no airborne command & control - no Ukrainian AWACS, only Soviet era ground based GCI currently being used to try to shape the air battle - Russian have AWACS to carry out C&C right at the forward edge of battle for better vision and faster decisions.
- They are out-radar ranged in airborne surveillance - again no Ukrainian AWACS just ground GCI stations without the range to see into Russia deep enough to see how the RuAF is forming up for an A-A fight or spot low flying aircraft - Russia has AWACS and can see deeper into Ukraine to spot the UAF forming up and spot low flying aircraft trying to sneak past.
- They are out-ranged in individual aircraft radars - the Su-35 has a much longer range and more capable PESA radar (est 200nm) and the Su-27 has a longer range but less capable radar (est 100nm+) - the F-16 uses a much smaller planar array radar (est just 80nm).
- They are out-ranged in missiles - Su-35 uses 70nm+ ranged R-77-1 whilst F-16 will probably use the AIM-120C-5 or C-7 with a <70nm range - the official figure is just 35nm but its known to be higher than that.
- They are out-ranged in physical range & flight duration - the Su-27/35 family have far greater fuel range giving them more flight time and can be A-A refuelled - Ukrainian F-16's can't fly as long, can't refuel mid-air and can't fly as far so at some point they will have to return home.
- They can't communicate plans "on the fly" as effectively as they will have the NATO/US secure Link 16 data-link removed and will have to rely on voice comms - Russian Su-27/35 can still use their own S-107-1 data-link unimpeded to pass battle plans around far more quickly.
- They have no EW support from the ground or airborne - Russia has lots of jammer, EW and ESM aircraft in theatre already so the Ukrainian radars will get jammed and their comms jammed too.
Those reasons above are why NATO/US specifically uses multiple aircraft types which support each other in a single "grand plan", leveraging the advantages of each type to nullify the disadvantages of others - F-22 using Stealth to get High Value A-A kills (AWACS, refuellers etc), F-35 using stealth to get A-A/A-G kills taking out ground radars, F-15 to kill enemy fighters, F-16 to kill enemy ground units and all overseen by AWACS to control the battle, able to see deep into enemy territory and pass out new plans instantly across secure data-links whilst refuellers keep planes in the air and EW aircraft blind the enemy etc etc all in aforementioned "grand plan" where everyone is working together, knowing what every piece is doing and covering the deficiencies inherent within each aircraft type. If you take just one single piece of that massive grand plan and throw it into combat against an adversary who has all of that "grand plan" equipment, well thats a suicidal battle as Iraq etc have found out.
Luckily for Ukraine, its fairly obvious by now that Russia's version of the "grand plan" isn't as capable as it should be and nowhere near a capable as a NATO/US one, which is the only reason it wouldn't be a suicide mission to fly F-16's directly against the RuAF rather than just performing a "holding action" of the local airspace which is what the UAF is currently doing, but it will still be a very, very hard fight for the UAF even if they get a whole heap of "indirect" support from NATO/US too.
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Technically possible if the KA-52 was hovering or flying verrrry slowly, or flying directly head on/tail away, as the Javelin uses an IIR seeker so as long as it can see a thermal difference it can lock on and guide. If the KA-52 was flying at speed across the missile L-R or R-L I would find it very difficult as the turn rate of a javelin isn't designed for that.
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APG-66V(2) A has a range of about 150km in unjammed area and about 85km in heavy jamming; it was upgraded to the A version with a new computer system with the block 20 upgrade. The F16AM block 20 is comparable to a base line F16C block 50.
Yes AMRAAM is going to ukraine - but, like every single long range A2A ever, anything beyond about 20 miles needs a mid course update, russian kit as well.
Doing a top trumps comparison for equipment ignroes the most vital part - training and tactics.
Yes AMRAAM is going to ukraine - but, like every single long range A2A ever, anything beyond about 20 miles needs a mid course update, russian kit as well.
Doing a top trumps comparison for equipment ignroes the most vital part - training and tactics.
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Crazy Russia also said that everything the occupy would be seen as Russian territory and an attack on it would be red line as its an attack on Russia.
Right now that Russian territory is under attack, no nukes yet
They are not nuking anyone, they say it often enough people believe it, but if they were true to their word it would already be nuked.
Red lines to them are movable, they move them every day, there's so many red lines now they cant remember where they are.
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With the lines folding a little I do wonder how well built up they are behind those areas as well.
So far no proper break-through but if Ukraine get behind the lines, they could take large swathes of territory pretty quickly here.
With regards to Crimea, if they can blow up the bridge, and with the water supply in trouble, they wouldn't need to attack it properly, it would become impossible for Russia to hold if Ukraine cut off the land bridge to the north of Crimea.
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