Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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I’m not too familiar of the location, but would this plant have been reliant on the destroyed dam reservoir for cooling water or is it completely unrelated?
Soldato
Its that power stations cooling ponds that were fed from the reservoir
Soldato
I think I heard something about nuclear something something going into a NATO country?
(Not any attack on the plant, the results of the attack are where the red line comes in)
The US congress did, but the US President did not
At the end of the day, the blowing of the plant doesn't matter - its whether or not European Nato members decide to call Article 5 when radiation lands on them. If they don't feel like going to war over the radiation then nothing will happen.
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Soldato
If Russia can get away with dirty bombing Europe then we're spineless as all hell.
Caporegime
Vatniks on Twitter are working overtime to blame Ukraine already despite the fact that nothing has happened yet and Russia controls the power plant.
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Russian workers have been told to evacuate the plant apparently. Looks serious.
Why do you think european members can unilaterally declare Article 5?
Why do you think european members can unilaterally declare Article 5?
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I didn't say they can send nato to war, but the first step is a member putting the formal article 5 request forward so that members can discuss a declaration.
And even then, individual nato members can do whatever they want, they don't need to participate in said war
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Soldato
Speaking the obvious: Them having their people leaving in large numbers prior to quoting BS is a massive warning flag.
Ukraine I cannot believe would do such a thing to its people after Chernobyl.
Soldato
Far as I know, the only red line is using tactical nukes. America is supposed to have privately told Russia that if it uses a nuke in Ukraine, they will decimate the Russian forces in Ukraine. That would not be a Nato thing, but I am certain other countries would join in.
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If Chernobyl (the event, not the TV series) proved anything, it's that nuclear power plants are not as dangerous as the public imagine them to be. The actual number of deaths was negligible and far lower than that predicted by American research after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The benefits to nature have been greater than any loss, entirely down to the humans leaving.
Chernobyl was bad but it could easily have been a lot lot worse - there is a reason no one outside of Russia operated that type of reactor and existing ones were heavily modified post Chernobyl.
Modern designs can still produce heavy local (20-30km) contamination in a worse case scenario such as Fukushima (despite how it is presented in the TV series even Fukushima wouldn't have been as bad if it wasn't for the ways they extended it's lifespan) but you'd need massive intentional engineering to produce something like Chernobyl or worse.
The big problem with nuclear power is human nature - if designed, operated and retired as they should be they are incredibly safe against both natural and intentional adversity.
And the bit all our resident ADHD Generals probably don't realise, that even with this overwhelming force, once the allies got off the beachheads, it still took about a month to break through the heavy German defences to get out of the local area.
It's a slow process to break through heavily entrenched forces, combined with the fact that Ukranians don't have the overwhelming numbers and aren't acting like the Russians by zerging positions with complete indifference to losses.
Caporegime
So ww3 today or not? I've got a big laundry load to do and I CBA if it's the apocalypse.
Nothing like clean sheets to start an apocalypse with, do it.
Probably a good idea to do it anyway. You want to look your best if it's your last day.
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