Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Soldato
The yanks were the same. Just look at their aircraft boneyard, and that's just the stuff they've decommissioned.
I guess we need a world wars thread really :s but it is somewhat linked to Russia/Ukraine - looks like things are not going the right direction with Serbia/Kosovo.
Yeah the US boneyards are crazy - there are a couple of them in California with 1000s of armoured vehicles parked up.
Yeah the US boneyards are crazy - there are a couple of them in California with 1000s of armoured vehicles parked up.
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Chap I used to fly with online (back in the CFS1,2 & 3 days) was an E6 stationed at Davis–Monthan AFB. Crazy what they have just sitting out in the desert.
Soldato
In the grander scheme I dont think its completely disconnected. On the global scale it can be so confusing. I genuinely dont think we are far from the prospect of another global scale war. Thats not to say its a certainty howver the trend is definitely leading towards such a possible outcome. I just hope that sensible heads will prevail. Seems a thin line between defense industry booming and world falling apart. Sadly I dont have faith in the "powers" that control that balance.
Might sound a bit CT 'ish and i'm most certainly not that way inclined but from the inside out, I get the impression we are sleep walking into what may slowly develop into what may be considered a WW3 by future generations.
I definitely feel like we are sleep walking into a situation which risks the relative peace we've had the last 3-4 decades, too many people haven't woken up to the fact that things are shifting, the Russia people thought they knew is gone. if it ever truly was what people thought it was, but it hasn't sunk in for many yet I feel.
I'm actually surprised we've not seen more hybrid warfare such as terrorism indirect encouraged by the Russian state and/or renegade Russian elements encouraged to carry out acts, etc.
If Ukraine would have fallen quickly then I think undoubtedly we'd be seeing a fair amount of 'unusual' events occurring especially in the Balkans with what would have been Wagner Mercs essentially assassinating government officials.
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Its a fair point, Though I do wonder if Russia has over stated its influence on Western culture outside of blatant bribery and corruption. Its not like they have the firm routed Communist/Socialist movements established that they had last century. Those are very much extreme "fringe" these days.
If you think Ukraine are doing an unrealistically good job of it you should have seen British/French/US forces assaulting trenches backed by artillery and mine fields in Desert Storm, it was like watching a tide wash over children's sandcastles.
A couple of interesting points, the vast majority of both Ukraine's and Russia's equipment use din this war was Soviet built, and the crazy thing is they've both sold/scrapped more than half the stuff they had when the USSR folded. Hell Ukraine scrapped two aircraft carriers and sold one to China, Russia scrapped five and sold one to India.
But weren't those worked over by air power first? Granted I was told that by the pilots...
I've sat and watched General Schwarzkopf's news conference describing the 2003 invasion more than once (https://youtu.be/wKi3NwLFkX4?si=JDvd5YYCGRqxmL_1). Realistically Ukraine aren't the US, and Russia aren't the Iraqis, these are very near peer adversaries.
If it was the Yanks they'd probably drive over the Russian trenches in these like they did in Iraq
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Somewhat overly dramatic headline but:
news.sky.com
Things seem to be declining fast there.
NATO beefs up presence in Kosovo with UK troops as tensions rise
Under the new arrangement, British soldiers are being placed under NATO's command "if needed, to address the current situation". They will form part of the KFOR peacekeeping force, which consists of about 4,500 troops from about 27 NATO and partner countries.
news.sky.com
Things seem to be declining fast there.
Soldato
Russian wife risks her life fleeing to Ukraine to find POW boyfriend
This is the moment Russian woman Irina Krynina, 37, was reunited with her prisoner of war boyfriend Evgeny Kovtkov, 34, in Ukrainian capital Kyiv after defying Putin's regime.
Soldato
The Bradleys are from over 30 years ago and its cheaper to service them and send them to ukraine than in a boneyard
Russian wife risks her life fleeing to Ukraine to find POW boyfriend
This is the moment Russian woman Irina Krynina, 37, was reunited with her prisoner of war boyfriend Evgeny Kovtkov, 34, in Ukrainian capital Kyiv after defying Putin's regime.www.dailymail.co.uk
She is not his wife and children are her. She thought that he wanted to see her, but she was wrong. He could not give two ***** about her. When he was asked what he wanted after coming home he said he would love to go fishing... She has mistaken for who he was.
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Personally I think the main difference is the training Ukraine soldiers have had.
NATO has trained tens of thousands to fight properly without zerg rushes, they don't just rush into a hail of bullets.
The casualties are not insignificant though, they are losing people daily no doubt about it.
Russians I feel a bit sorry for, they are mostly conscripts now with very little training and a gun at their backs so they cant retreat.
I say a bit sorry but if its them or Ukrainians then its them as far as I'm concerned but its still young men sent to die for nothing.
Their tactics are to zerg rush blindly into a hail of bullets because that's what they're told to do.
The numbers don't matter to the kremlin, like WW2 they think numbers will win no matter the cost so they do as theyre ordered or get a bullet in the back
The ratio of about 7 to 1 cant be far off the mark or Putin wouldn't be ordering more conscriptions through out most of the regions.
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Well they are now using 1950's arty now and its not precise, it needs spotters to direct fire, they have taken hundreds out the stock piles of obsolete equipment. Soon they will have nothing left. they are depleting their stocks at a very fast rate.
Soldato
I do feel quite bad for many of the Russians as while there are quite a few war crime loving monsters amongst them (shocking that would happen if you allow convicted murderers, rapists, mafiosos and child killers to volunteer in exchange for a pardon, not) most of them are just poor people who don't even want to be there or even care about their governments agenda (Kind of like Vietnam in a way).
The odd thing is though that Russia don't have half the western world shipping them tanks, planes, ammo, trucks, fuel, trains (yes trains), etc like the USSR did. Is it possible that they have been reciting the Soviet lie about how they soloed Hitler while the UK cowered on our island and the USA sent thoughts and prayers, for so long that even their commanders/leaders believe it?
To a degree yes, but air power was focused more on stuff further back, the trenches, defensive structures, etc were hammered by artillery and MLRS like Ukraine have been doing.
I wasn't originally going to reply to this as I thought it was OT but when I thought about the answer it made it clear it was very much on topic.
When people think of Iraq today they tend to think of a joke military getting rolled over by coalition forces in 2003. But back in 1990 it was a very different story, the Iraqi army then was bigger and better equipped than the Russian ground forces in Ukraine have been at any point in this war. That may sound insane to anyone not familiar with the conflicts in question but to put it in perspective, back then the Iraqi army had over 5500 active tanks, that's more than the Russian military has sent to Ukraine and they've been losing them on a daily basis.
The reason the 1990 coalition did so well casualty wise wasn't just because it was America, Britain, France, Syria, Egypt, Saudi, etc against Iraq (even with all that the wasn't that great a numbers advantage on the ground if any). It was because they took their time and executed a well devised offensive strategy (as Ukraine are doing), rather than just running at the defences trying not to get hit by their own artillery (as Russia's offensive did).
At the time the US military was heavily criticised in the western media for burying trench defenders alive to save time, some even classed it as a war crime. It's highly unlikely Ukraine would do similar given how dependant on western opinion they are.
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