Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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alchal said:
Meanwhile we carry on talking about how Ukraine MUST win, but we ain't going to provide them with what they need, whilst Russia plays the long game and doesn't give a crap about how many of its own die for Putin's cause or the consequences economically.

That's the problem when facing dictatorships, they are always going to be there until they are dead or run out of coinage, whilst we pander to the electorate and balance the books, whilst in the past wasn't too much of a problem, it is most certainly now with the short isolationist attention spans and social media disinformation running amok.

Finding it harder to see Ukraine kicking Russia out , fully support them in thier efforts to do so but without more long range weapons and up to date armour they can't compete with the meat grinder of Russia and it's ww1 trench warfare.

We failed to arm them after Russia began to retreat and gave Russia time to build up trenches and minefields that make ww1 look tame, if we had given them the tanks and long range strike capability sooner they could have steamrolled the ruskies I feel.


This is all on our useless governments who don't see the long term consequences of failure for Ukraine.
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Yep, this is frustrating. Turns out that maybe Ukraine were onto something when they asked for roughly twice as many armoured vehicles as they got in the end plus more long range strike options...

Still feels like Western countries could be doing a lot more at this point to increase supply if we wanted to. The rhetoric is starting to feel a bit hollow...

Don't want to underestimate the value of support that has been provided, and I'm proud that the UK is training their troops, led the way in supplying man portable anti tank / anti air systems right at the start, and since then led the way supplying modern tanks and storm shadow missiles... But at the end of the day we could be doing more - filling order books for every arms manufacturer in the country and getting to work building new factories ASAP, for example.

The US really has the ability to swamp the country in armoured vehicles if they wanted to... and yet it seems like anti-Ukraine rhetoric is much more mainstream there, making it politically more tricky with more unpredictable long term reliability...

Has been said before but is clear that although our governments like the idea of Ukraine kicking Russia out and 'winning', the only thing we're really committed to is Ukrainian 'survival'.

Maybe there are some arguments against increasing the rate of military aid (eg wanting to avoid escalation and avoiding unpredictable outcomes which could drag us in more directly), but to me feels like a long dragging war isn't necessarily much better in that respect if it results in Russia becoming more radicalised under a propagandising regime and supporting them becomes an option to attack / discredit the West by proxy for other states like China...
 
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alchal said:
Meanwhile we carry on talking about how Ukraine MUST win, but we ain't going to provide them with what they need, whilst Russia plays the long game and doesn't give a crap about how many of its own die for Putin's cause or the consequences economically.
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In fairness if Russia's long game plan is to consistently take 5-10x the daily casualties against a country with ~1/3 of their fighting age males then I say let them play that game xD
 
bingham67 said:
A delegation of the Taliban arrived in Kazan for talks/negotiations with Russia.
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Tactically speaking this is a master play from Putin. Afghanistan is the only country to defeat Russia in the last century, so if Ukraine had gotten them on side it would have been over by Christmas, especially as they're currently fresh off a victory over the USA, UK, Canada, Germany, Australia, Italy and New Zealand.
 
ubersonic said:
In fairness if Russia's long game plan is to consistently take 5-10x the daily casualties against a country with ~1/3 of their fighting age males then I say let them play that game xD
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Do you actually believe those casualty rates? Russia is currently fighting defensively, yet you think they're losing significantly more troops than Ukraine?
 
Roar87 said:
Do you actually believe those casualty rates? Russia is currently fighting defensively, yet you think they're losing significantly more troops than Ukraine?
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Mate, in one area those Russian defenders got wiped out because Ukraine tied balloons to a flag, floated it over the defensive line and all the Russians ran out to shoot it, exposed their positions and got roflstomped*.

If you have any evidence that casualty figures are overstated I'm sure we'd all love to hear it, however defending doesn't magically reduce your casualties. It only worked for Ukraine because they were doing a good/competent job of defending and were equipped to do so, they weren't just sitting in a trench with artillery raining down on their heads wondering why their WW1 defensive line wasn't working.


*for those who missed it, no that's not a joke, Ukraine actually tied dozens of red balloons to a giant Ukrainian flag and used it to draw out hundreds or Russians. The only thing that could have made it more meme-able would have been if it was exactly 99 balloons (sadly not).
 
ci_newman said:
I believe they are more accurate than whatever lies are published by the Kremlin.
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I don't know what the Kremlin is publishing.

If Russia are taking 5-10x more casualties then Ukraine will have this war wrapped up in no time. If you told me the Royal Marines were assaulting those positions I'd find those casualty rates hard to believe, assaulting trenches backed by artillery and mine fields, seems completely unrealistic to take massively fewer casualties than the opposition.
 
ubersonic said:
Mate, in one area those Russian defenders got wiped out because Ukraine tied balloons to a flag, floated it over the defensive line and all the Russians ran out to shoot it, exposed their positions and got roflstomped*.

If you have any evidence that casualty figures are overstated I'm sure we'd all love to hear it, however defending doesn't magically reduce your casualties. It only worked for Ukraine because they were doing a good/competent job of defending and were equipped to do so, they weren't just sitting in a trench with artillery raining down on their heads wondering why their WW1 defensive line wasn't working.


*for those who missed it, no that's not a joke, Ukraine actually tied dozens of red balloons to a giant Ukrainian flag and used it to draw out hundreds or Russians. The only thing that could have made it more meme-able would have been if it was exactly 99 balloons (sadly not).
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There is a lot of truth to that in modern warfare unless you're in proper fortifications and even then since the age of the mortar you needed at least some decent training if the attackers had any form of artillery.

Really simple things like making your dugout/trench properly to reduce risk from overhead and blasts travelling along the line makes a huge difference (and you need your troops to actually understand why they're doing it), as does things like actually having some basic first aid training and supplies, it's entirely possible to die of blood loss that could have been fairly easily avoided with even WW2 medic training, let alone the training, techniques and equipment that Nato has honed from the Iraq war. Unfortunately for the Russian troops their training and equipment all too often for them seems to have been below even WW2 levels.

I can quite believe that the Ukrainians are suffering a lot of casualties, but that they're suffering far fewer deaths and long term disabling injuries as really basic (and prompt) medical care can make a huge difference.
 
I got recommended this channel for some unknown reason...but seems to have some interesting stuff there. The chap has many videos analysing fighter jets, planes and helis made by ruskies. Sadly it is in ruzzky language as well, I have not checked if auto translator is accurate enough to understand.
He spoke about the KA-52 attack helicopter. The heli seems to be having only attack mode, but is not protected even from AR. I remember there were quite a few of them attacking Ukraine in early days of the war and falling into the river where they were rescued from later with crew still inside. Also the ejection system has never been shown to be working. There is only one video where ejection system is shown on the video, but it has no blades above as to replicate the heli. Also he showed a video where a pilot got hit and instead of ejecting he managed to land it and were captured by Ukrainians thank god. So basically they spray and pray at the same time. Remarkable.
 
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