Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Rroff · 2 Oct 2023 at 14:44

Redrum said:
At least he's made his position abundantly clear now. It was only a few weeks ago people were arguing about how pro Ukraine he is.

What I don't like is I'm still using Twitter, although only to read. I only started using it to follow what's happening in Ukraine as the mainstream media, especially at the start, were so poor in their reporting. What would be the best alternative? There are so many Twitter like social networks now with Mastodon, Threads and Bluesky. Are any of them any good for updates from Ukraine?

If so, it would be nice if instead of people posting Twitter links in this thread, they posted the links from an alternative.

Aside from Twitter it is horribly fragmented and/or not easy to link directly to. There are a whole bunch of Discord channels, stuff on Telegram, etc. Twitter just the easiest to link to.

Which sucks as as far as I'm concerned Twitter can crash and burn.

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2023 at 14:48

You can actually be pro-Ukraine and disagree with Zelensky's strategy given he seemingly wants to fight an endless war of attrition. Zelensky is not Ukraine.

Colonel_Klinck · 2 Oct 2023 at 14:53

alchal said:
Amazing what full control of the state can produce.

Its not like we haven't seen it before in living memory with Hitler and Stalin. The Germans leant from their history, the Russians are just repeating it.

Murf · 2 Oct 2023 at 14:54

Roar87 said:
You can actually be pro-Ukraine and disagree with Zelensky's strategy given he seemingly wants to fight an endless war of attrition. Zelensky is not Ukraine.

Zelensky wants to fight an endless war of attrition? Source please.

Rroff · 2 Oct 2023 at 14:55

Roar87 said:
You can actually be pro-Ukraine and disagree with Zelensky's strategy given he seemingly wants to fight an endless war of attrition. Zelensky is not Ukraine.

Uh Zelensky has been begging for every weapon they can get so they don't end up fighting an endless war of attrition...

Colonel_Klinck · 2 Oct 2023 at 14:57

Roar87 said:
You can actually be pro-Ukraine surrender ~~and disagree with Zelensky's strategy given he seemingly wants to fight an endless war of attrition. Zelensky is not Ukraine.~~

Fixed that for you.

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:15

There isn't an amount of military aid we can give short of the US entering the war itself that will end it unfortunately. Most European militaries also just don't have that much hardware to give without compromising their own national defense. If Russia has seriously offered to withdraw back to the original borders for Ukraine not joining NATO then Zelensky should jump at that offer if he values the lives of his countrymen.

Murf · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:18

Roar87 said:
There isn't an amount of military aid we can give short of the US entering the war itself that will end it unfortunately. Most European militaries also just don't have that much hardware to give without compromising their own national defense. If Russia has seriously offered to withdraw back to the original borders for Ukraine not joining NATO then Zelensky should jump at that offer if he values the lives of his countrymen.

Their own national defence from what\who? And which borders are these?

Scougar · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:23

So glad I put him/her on ignore. I've been a lot happier without having to read his/her apologist drivel.

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:23

Murf said:
Their own national defence from what\who?

I think it would be a mistake to assume any of us know what future wars our military might be in.

Murf said:
And which borders are these?

The original borders prior to the invasion.

alchal · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:25

Roar87 said:
There isn't an amount of military aid we can give short of the US entering the war itself that will end it unfortunately. Most European militaries also just don't have that much hardware to give without compromising their own national defense. If Russia has seriously offered to withdraw back to the original borders for Ukraine not joining NATO then Zelensky should jump at that offer if he values the lives of his countrymen.

Indeed maybe they should also give up thier nukes for long lasting security as well huh....oh wait.

Ukrainian Nazi super soldier US bio lab gay Jews NATO expansion ment it was null and void last time around...

So how do you know Russia won't make another bullcrap story up and go again? also, they demand a pro Russian government fyi.

Goodie · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:33

Roar87 said:
I think it would be a mistake to assume any of us know what future wars our military might be in.

Can you clarify the country you’re referring to when you say ‘our’, comrade.

dpbadger · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:34

Roar87 said:
I think it would be a mistake to assume any of us know what future wars our military might be in.

The original borders prior to the invasion.

2014 borders then?

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:39

alchal said:
Indeed maybe they should also give up thier nukes for long lasting security as well huh....oh wait.

Ukrainian Nazi super soldier US bio lab gay Jews NATO expansion ment it was null and void last time around...

So how do you know Russia won't make another bullcrap story up and go again? also, they demand a pro Russian government fyi.

How would them going again be worse than the current war? You're basically saying we should keep fighting a war just incase another war breaks out. This logic is so baffling to me I can't quite get my head around it.

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:42

dpbadger said:
2014 borders then?

Russia won't give up Crimea for anything I guess, but it was basically Russian anyway.

Stretch · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:46

Roar87 said:
How would them going again be worse than the current war? You're basically saying we should keep fighting a war just incase another war breaks out. This logic is so baffling to me I can't quite get my head around it.

Why is any war worth fighting?

Stretch · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:49

Roar87 said:
There isn't an amount of military aid we can give short of the US entering the war itself that will end it unfortunately. Most European militaries also just don't have that much hardware to give without compromising their own national defense. If Russia has seriously offered to withdraw back to the original borders for Ukraine not joining NATO then Zelensky should jump at that offer if he values the lives of his countrymen.

The loss of life doesn’t seem to be a problem for Putin or Russians who have (or had) far less to lose.

bingham67 · 2 Oct 2023 at 15:57

https://twitter.com/x/status/1708843431999439135

Twinz · 2 Oct 2023 at 16:05

Roar87 said:
How would them going again be worse than the current war? You're basically saying we should keep fighting a war just incase another war breaks out. This logic is so baffling to me I can't quite get my head around it.

If Russia gains any land from this invasion, they will do it again and again.

They took Crimea and said they would stop there. We now know they will not stop.

Ukraine needs to take back their land if they ever hope to truly live in peace. Giving into this bully has proven to just invite more bullying.

alchal · 2 Oct 2023 at 16:09

Roar87 said:
How would them going again be worse than the current war? You're basically saying we should keep fighting a war just incase another war breaks out. This logic is so baffling to me I can't quite get my head around it.

Because...dum dum dum if we give them what they need to win, they win, get into NATO and no more wars forever more and can look forward to the future.

The other is surrender and mass killings, removals, etc etc with Russias peace plan, or ....a peace without a pro Russian government in place in Ukraine (unthinkable to Putin) that leads to another war and tension and the country in edge.

Take your pick.