Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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jigger said:
Looks like Australia has the first batch of slinger anti drone systems ready to go to the Ukrainians. These Should help out with the limited Gepard ammunition. Switzerland should probably reconsider its position on Gepard ammunition now Iran has setup production of its Shahed drones in Russia.
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Lol @ Switzerland, they are devoid of morals, it's all about the gold!, From Russia
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
This is the guy who asked us why would Putin lie when people laughed at the idea of Putin sticking to any deal :rolleyes: He is a walking talking Russian propaganda outlet. Wherever he gets his info from it has Russian state finger prints all over it.
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One of my first experiences with our resident comrade and I didn’t think he was serious. Sadly he was very serious.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
This is the guy who asked us why would Putin lie when people laughed at the idea of Putin sticking to any deal :rolleyes: He is a walking talking Russian propaganda outlet. Wherever he gets his info from it has Russian state finger prints all over it.
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This is why he thinks Zelensky is trying to prolong the war as he can't comprehend why anyone would turn down Putin's "genuine and reasonable" deal.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
This is the guy who asked us why would Putin lie when people laughed at the idea of Putin sticking to any deal :rolleyes: He is a walking talking Russian propaganda outlet. Wherever he gets his info from it has Russian state finger prints all over it.
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All you do is is deliberately misconstrue posts, when you do that then you are admitting to me you are wrong.

Of course Putin can lie, but there has to be a beneficial consequence of a lie, if he were to say he's willing to leave Ukraine on the basis of Ukraine not joining NATO, how would a lie benefit him? He either leaves Ukraine or he doesn't, the situation either improves or stays the same. How would Putin benefit from lying? Or are you saying he'd take the entire Russian army out of Ukraine only to attack again and have to retake all the land? What you're saying makes zero sense, did you think it through?
 
Roar87 said:
All you do is is deliberately misconstrue posts, when you do that then you are admitting to me you are wrong.

Of course Putin can lie, but there has to be a beneficial consequence of a lie, if he were to say he's willing to leave Ukraine on the basis of Ukraine not joining NATO, how would a lie benefit him? He either leaves Ukraine or he doesn't, the situation either improves or stays the same. How would Putin benefit from lying? Or are you saying he'd take the entire Russian army out of Ukraine only to attack again and have to retake all the land? What you're saying makes zero sense, did you think it through?
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Vladolf thinks Ukraine is run by Nazi’s and he is fighting The West. Putler has mined 25-30% of Ukraine and has no intension of leaving.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
I think it was an American general who recently said that this war is a bargain for the West. We have depleted the Russian military by one half, for a small fraction of the (US yearly) military budget, and all for no US casualties.
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Yep, ignoring all other reasons like political or humanitarian etc, from a strategic security point of view the war is great for the U.S and as long as Ukraine wants to keep fighting it's worth arming them because Russia is being whittled down for pennies on the dollar. USA is sending Ukraine mostly old equipment and wages in Ukraine is dirt cheap compared to how much a US soldier costs, it's a very cheap way to bring down the Russian threat. If US was sent to fight itself it would probably cost the US tax payer 10 to 20 times more to achieve the same destruction of Russian material
 
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Roar87 said:
All you do is is deliberately misconstrue posts, when you do that then you are admitting to me you are wrong.

Of course Putin can lie, but there has to be a beneficial consequence of a lie, if he were to say he's willing to leave Ukraine on the basis of Ukraine not joining NATO, how would a lie benefit him? He either leaves Ukraine or he doesn't, the situation either improves or stays the same. How would Putin benefit from lying? Or are you saying he'd take the entire Russian army out of Ukraine only to attack again and have to retake all the land? What you're saying makes zero sense, did you think it through?
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Because he wants Ukraine Roar. Your premise is coming from his lies that he only did this because Ukraine might join NATO. What he wants is all the old USSR satellite countries back under the Russian boot, the Russian Empire restored. He would only agree to withdraw if it A: Kept Ukraine under Russian influence and not closer to the EU and the West. B: gave Russia enough time to rearm and launch another attempt at a future date which suited Russia. And in the mean time Russia would continue to undermine Ukrainian nationalism, weaken its resolve and fund insurgents within Ukrainian borders. The only way Ukraine can move forward is to drive Russia out of its lands and enter a defence pact with the West. Anything else makes it a vassal, something you seem happy for it to be. Only Ukrainians get to decide when they don't want to fight for their country any longer, not you, not Elon, not the far right and left.
 
Roar87 said:
Of course Putin can lie, but there has to be a beneficial consequence of a lie, if he were to say he's willing to leave Ukraine on the basis of Ukraine not joining NATO, how would a lie benefit him?
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There doesn't have to be a beneficial consequence, there could also be the delay of a negative consequence. He could lie to buy time, and while in "negotiation" reinforce key locations, resupply forces and go once more.

I think this is possibly one beneficial consequence of a Putin lie?
 
Cyber-Mav said:
whats update so far? who winning?
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Nobody is "winning", lots of death, destruction and ruined lives on both sides. Momentum currently very much with Ukraine though. Despite the slow progress on the front, Ukraine are still doing a very good job of dismantling the war machine within the enemy deep. Sadly Russia do what Russia do best, throw carcasses at the problem.
 
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