Ukraine stopped Russia from taking over and more than a year later most of the country is currently still independent and not under Russian occupation and control. A lot of people might see that more as Ukraine winning than losing. Russia has tanked their economy and their international reputation (especially of their military prowess) and seems to be sending large numbers of men to their deaths for little apparent gain. A lot of people might see that as Russia more losing than winning.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Ukraine stopped Russia from taking over and more than a year later most of the country is currently still independent and not under Russian occupation and control. A lot of people might see that more as Ukraine winning than losing. Russia has tanked their economy and their international reputation (especially of their military prowess) and seems to be sending large numbers of men to their deaths for little apparent gain. A lot of people might see that as Russia more losing than winning.
Not sure it is exactly advisable but one of the Ukrainian commanders phoned the head of Uralvagonzavod to complain about the quality of Russian tanks they are capturing LOL.
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GOLD, absolute gold.
It could well be that Musk sees BRICS as the next business market hence the overtures.
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Russia will be lucky to have a viable currency by the time this war is over, let alone an economy.
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Unfortunately the economic warfare we've launched against them is having effects on us. Fertiliser, oil, gas, diesel costs of which are leading to de-industrialisation in Europe and a reduction or pause in growth of the standard of living that looks increasingly persistent.
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Let's all take a step back, all this war is basically foreplay, Russia will either win, or if they don't, sprinkle some Nukes.
This is somewhat on us, an unwillingness to innovate or adapt, etc.
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People will say that increases in the standard of living based on Russian supplies of gas and oil are not worth having and with the help of the UK, North sea oil and it's interconnects, Europe managed to get through last winter with out much Russian hydrocarbon.
Yes it's more expensive to consumers but to give in a pay for the Russian missiles, drones and shells would be unforgiveable. Russia must be defeated on all fronts militarily and economically. We can only ensure this through sanctions.
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It's about time Europe learned to survive without Russian hydrocarbons.
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Which is why we should extract shale gas, and increase North Sea production and on-shore essential industries like refining and fertiliser production. But we should have thought of that before we turned the tap off on products that are essential to maintain our industrialised lifestyles
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Why would we do something idiotic like that, instead of spending the same amount of money on cheaper renewables and energy efficiency?
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I was unaware that wind made wheat grow or could be put in the tank of an articulated lorry. Every day is a learning day I suppose.
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Possibly. What we can be sure of is Elon is doing what is good for Elon.
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I can't see fracking ever taking off here. We are too densely populated and people don't want to live on top of mini earthquakes. Its great in places like the US and Canada where the majority of the country is empty, that isn't here.
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I largely agree with maintaining north sea oil and refining for our needs until no longer essential, maybe 50 years or so. Fracking less so.
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Define 'our' needs though. The remaining North sea reserves are a tiny proportion of known world reserves, and not the easiest or cheapest to exploit. And the rights to exploit these reserves has been granted and sold to multinational oil corporations, largely foreign-owned (the only way BP is in any way 'British' is that it is still, for now, listed on the UK stock exchange. The majority of share owners are overseas, and the listing could be migrated in very short order). These companies, legally, have to sell on the open market to the highest bidder and the British-derived sales arne't sufficient to alter the world prices by more than fraction of a penny per litre, or increase world oil availability by any perceptible amount.
Those who propose fracking/upping north sea production seem to live in some imaginary 1950s world, with 'British oil for British homes', or possibly by nationalizing the assets and exploitation rights of international companies - which is more likely to set us at an, at least economic, war with the USA, which would effect the price of oil far more than minimal exploitation would.
Well rather than future wars, why don't we use our military equipment in the war Europe is currently embroiled in? With the primary adversary all of our kit was designed to defend us against.
And by original borders, you mean Ukraine should give up the illegally occupied Crimea? Absolute joke.
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Apologies for going against the flow, but that's wishful thinking.
Russia's entire strategy has shifted to waiting out Europe and the US and wearing down Ukraine's international support through long-term cost.
The shift in recent US and European briefing preparing us for the long haul gives a clear indication that hoping for a collapse is unrealistic.
From a purely selfish point of view, making Oleg in Smolensk poorer by 2027 brings no benefit at all to me.
The economy is not a magic bullet which will end the war in any reasonable time. Iran has been under sanctions for decades.
Trying to grind Russia down economically is a very long-term strategy and, without further and increasing miltary support, I think it's weak.
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