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NATO really does look like a bit of a joke. It's still by a metric mile the most powerful defence alliance but it still looks like a joke. The largest countries in NATO still believe the world is a nice rosy safe space and they can smile and buy their way out of trouble, there is no need for fighting, they don't see that when the enemies have money they don't need your money anymore so you can't blackmail them into not attacking you
 
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Allnamestaken said:
God watching the republicans and maga extremists clmb over themselves to blame zelensky for his country being invaded and calling for no more help to be given makes me sick.

It's so crazy how brain rotted some of these people are and the lengths they go to justify it.

Some maga idiot:
"think of all the lives, we need to save lives, Ukraine is the biden families money laundering machine” etc etc, yeah let’s just remove the ability for Ukraine to defend themselves yeah ok makes sense.

Pathetic
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They will throw mud everywhere in an attempt to get into power, unfortunately a lot of the US is extremely insular and well....stupid, unable to see that isolationism does nothing for them, only harm, but then they have been brought up to think that the US is a special cup cake that doesn't confirm to other countries norms, downfall of a superpower 101.
All those years of Russia been bad and bam...Putin gets into power and they love him, you would think he had bought US politicians...

Hopefully I'm wrong and they all get thrown in prison for collusion with Russia/China, which they no doubt are .

Europe needs to wake the hell up as well, more and more right wing governments/ movements are gaining power/ traction.

Let Russia win this and we will see China start slapping it's neighbours around unfortunately.
 
alchal said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66984944.amp

UK , oh no everyone else must start spending at least 2.% on defence! As we cut cut cut and we also throw in the pensions and trident into the defence budget! I'd love to see our % If those two things alone were taken back out!


Lots of talk and never any action, democracy v dictatorships this time around ain't looking so rosy.
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Some key points:

"If it's not the time - when there is a war in Europe - to spend 2% on defence, then when is?" he asked.
He, too, said the "just-in-time" model "definitely does not work when you need to be ready for the fight tomorrow".
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Analysts say that in contrast, Russia appears much more able to gear up its wartime economy to replenish its own stockpiles.
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I wonder just how long until the penny drops and how long until people realise the Russia of today is not the Russia people thought of over the last 30 or so years.
 
How long are countries going to support giving financial support?
USA is already getting close to the breaking point. I don't know the will in the EU or UK but it's a stickler when your tax money is being funneled to a far off land.

I know we all have a deeper understanding of the aid and spending but Joe public probably is more worried about issues closer to home.

How long until a side gets caught or is forced to have a 3rd parties boots on the ground and something escalates? Ukraine wants this.... I'm sure.

Our governments drive us deeper in debt everyday both home and away.
I think the yanks will snap 1st financially. Support wise.
 
Efour said:
Reassuring....
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They do them sort of regularly 1-3 times a year - though Russia tends to portray them as emergency nuclear drills :s

AFAIK today the US one is just system testing while the Russian one includes civilian drills, etc.
 
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Efour said:
How long are countries going to support giving financial support?
USA is already getting close to the breaking point. I don't know the will in the EU or UK but it's a stickler when your tax money is being funneled to a far off land.

I know we all have a deeper understanding of the aid and spending but Joe public probably is more worried about issues closer to home.

How long until a side gets caught or is forced to have a 3rd parties boots on the ground and something escalates? Ukraine wants this.... I'm sure.

Our governments drive us deeper in debt everyday both home and away.
I think the yanks will snap 1st financially. Support wise.
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Thing is, the yanks aren't giving Ukraine much financial support. It's mostly military equipment - and the dollar value they're attributing to it is for when it was produced, not 40 years later when it's almost ready to be scrapped.

This war has been a great deal for USA. If Trump was still in power, he'd be patting himself on the back continually.
 
Efour said:
How long are countries going to support giving financial support?
USA is already getting close to the breaking point. I don't know the will in the EU or UK but it's a stickler when your tax money is being funneled to a far off land.

I know we all have a deeper understanding of the aid and spending but Joe public probably is more worried about issues closer to home.

How long until a side gets caught or is forced to have a 3rd parties boots on the ground and something escalates? Ukraine wants this.... I'm sure.

Our governments drive us deeper in debt everyday both home and away.
I think the yanks will snap 1st financially. Support wise.
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For the USA, what they are contributing is absolute peanuts compared to their military budget.

They are getting to fight a proxy war and grind down Russia's military capability without getting involved, and by donating all their old stuff.

It is essentially only the completely thick Trump nutjobs in the GOP that are against it and have not given a valid reason as to why. Also, the very same people are the people that are vehemently against any public spending/social programs, so they do not even want to spend the money at home either.
 
alchal said:
you would think he had bought US politicians...
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Well you really have to hand it to Putin, he had, the most powerful leader in the world in his pocket, still has although he is no longer in power.

With him he got all his followers to think Putin is some kind of Messiah.

Hopefully all trumps crimes with classified documents etc will put him away for a long time but I somehow think he will get away with it all.
 
Efour said:
How long are countries going to support giving financial support?
USA is already getting close to the breaking point. I don't know the will in the EU or UK but it's a stickler when your tax money is being funneled to a far off land.

I know we all have a deeper understanding of the aid and spending but Joe public probably is more worried about issues closer to home.

How long until a side gets caught or is forced to have a 3rd parties boots on the ground and something escalates? Ukraine wants this.... I'm sure.

Our governments drive us deeper in debt everyday both home and away.
I think the yanks will snap 1st financially. Support wise.
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Who knows. 5 years, 10 years?
 
HungryHippos said:
Forget US pulling financial aid, Russia is having it's own issue with it's finances as the rubble heads back towards an ATL against the dollar.
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I'm not paying much attention to that exchange rate as the trading volume is considerably lower than before the invasion due to sanctions. Its relatively easily manipulated as Russia pretty much fully controls one side of it.

When the elite are having to buy Russian made cars instead of German is when I'll believe the sanctions are truly working.
 
jigger said:
The saving grace is it’s not a sustainable type of politics.


What do you think? 31 Abrams tanks will be a serious battlefield force.
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I think a tank is a tank in this war.
I don't think tank on tank warfare is particularly a good metric to measure.

31 vehicles that will make a difference sure but will they be used as spearhead platoons or will they be massed.

I think the only good thing is the survivability they offer the crews.

Lobbing HE at bunkers can be done by anything.
 
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Jono8 said:
For the USA, what they are contributing is absolute peanuts compared to their military budget.

They are getting to fight a proxy war and grind down Russia's military capability without getting involved, and by donating all their old stuff.

It is essentially only the completely thick Trump nutjobs in the GOP that are against it and have not given a valid reason as to why. Also, the very same people are the people that are vehemently against any public spending/social programs, so they do not even want to spend the money at home either.
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Good point about old stock I should have thought that through.
But it's all coming to an end for both sides.
Can't be too many leopards left in the EU :p
What with ammo production too. I don't know how much we dig into our stocks put using it far far strips out all of EU and USA current production.
It's " lucky" Russia is struggling to get supplies too but we don't really know if china of n Korea is supplying them too...
 
Efour said:
I think a tank is a tank in this war.
I don't think tank on tank warfare is par
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Artillery is a powerful thing. Tank warfare is complicated. Not all tanks are made equal. Challenger, Leopard and Abrams are 3 of the best tanks in the world and much better than any tank Russia has.

Russia has almost zero chance of making an advance with its heavy armour against these three. The Ukrainians on the other hand now have that capability and more with its tank brigades.
 
Efour said:
Good point about old stock I should have thought that through.
But it's all coming to an end for both sides.
Can't be too many leopards left in the EU :p
What with ammo production too. I don't know how much we dig into our stocks put using it far far strips out all of EU and USA current production.
It's " lucky" Russia is struggling to get supplies too but we don't really know if china of n Korea is supplying them too...
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North Korea have been supplying shell’s to Russia for months. Seems they aren’t in the best condition and Russia have been force into cannibalising used barrels to keep its guns serviceable which the Ukrainians are then destroying at an impressive rate.
 
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