Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I think you've read too much into the post. UA doesn't need to stoop to their level to win and really shouldn't. If they start raping and looting, shooting / torturing PoW's, targeting civilians indiscriminately you'll find the mostly positive support from the West will evaporate very quickly.

Rroff is no apologist for Russia - unlike some in here.

No, this is what made me write what I did:
"Russia has less and less compelling them to abide by such conventions."
What (Geneva) Conventions does Russia follow?
 
I was watching the US combat vet who I follow the other day
Now I haven't gone to confirm it but seeing as he served I would trust him; he said that the US cluster munitions self destruct 12 hours after deployment.

Plus the Ukrainians have said they record every cluster munition fired.

Your beating a dead horse is this regard.
I suspect they probably are.

Modern armies tend not to want their own unexploded ordinance killing/maiming their own people when they go through an area that's been recaptured, hence one of the reasons western armies tend to be very careful about logging where they've put mines (for one thing they want to be able to retreat across them if needed/let supplies through), so I can quite believe that modern US cluster munitions are designed to self destruct as you're likely using them as either part of an active assault plan by your own people, or to deny the enemy a clear route to assault you (and possibly doing it repeatedly under conditions where you can't get out to carefully place new mines).

Which makes them very different from some of the ones the Russians use which IIRC are specifically designed to look like something you can play with in order to maim children if they don't get the soldiers.
 
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If they start raping and looting, shooting / torturing PoW's, targeting civilians indiscriminately you'll find the mostly positive support from the West will evaporate very quickly.
A good example of this is the "moderate" Syrian rebels, anyone remember those guys, wonder how much support we're giving them these days...




Gerasimov: Hey boss, remember when you asked "what air defence doing!?!"
Putin: Yes?
Gerasimov: Good news, it's now getting...results.
Putin: Excellent
 
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Honestly I have no clue what the boundary should be. I was utterly against cluster munition usage because of the long term devastation and proliferation effect it will have.....but this opinion was deeply unpopular so I think I'm out of my depth. Maybe further steps are needed? Who knows.
Cluster munitions are a bit like land mines, if you specifically use them against military targets and not civilians, and you record where you're laying/sending every one so that the area can be searched after the war and ones still active removed, then there not really that bad.

It's just that Ukraine is the first country in the history of war to actually bother doing this (in fairness they're also the first to be using them on their own territory at scale which explains why it's so important to them). Contrast that to Russia just firing mines out of their artillery and you can see the gulf in methodologies.
 
Honestly I have no clue what the boundary should be. I was utterly against cluster munition usage because of the long term devastation and proliferation effect it will have.....but this opinion was deeply unpopular so I think I'm out of my depth. Maybe further steps are needed? Who knows.

It is a thin line but I'm not happy with the provision of cluster munitions, but as before I'm not going to be critical of it unless we (the UK) step up and ramp up artillery production/supply to a level where they don't have a reason to utilise them. I can't say I'd be of the same attitude however if it was other prohibited chemical or bio, etc. weapons.
 
The argument about cluster munitions at this point is rather moot. So many low quality, poorly maintained, old, beyond shelf life munitions have been fired/layed in the ground that the arguement against cluster munitions are genuinely pointless. With or without cluster, there is going to be generations of post conflict cleanup of UXO. Any outrage over cluster munitions is just silly at this point.
 
Some very bad news coming out of the war this afternoon, it turns out most of the footage of Russian tanks launching their turrets into orbit was just AI generated propoganda. Not only have Russia actually lost zero tanks thus far but they've now released true combat footage, it doesn't bode well for Ukraine :(

 
T-59 is a Chinese tank though

It's a comedy video from China mocking the t-59 because the tank is still in use in the Chinese military. The Chinese military keeps sticking more modifications on it and claiming it's fully modern like nato
 
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Butusov plus shows how Ukrainian army confiscated a t90m praryv! "Analogov net" not sure how to translate it. Basically it says that it is the only one and the best in the world...
Oryx reports of 40 units being confiscated by Ukrainian army or were destroyed.
 
Butusov plus shows how Ukrainian army confiscated a t90m praryv! "Analogov net" not sure how to translate it. Basically it says that it is the only one and the best in the world...
Oryx reports of 40 units being confiscated by Ukrainian army or were destroyed.
Surprised they have captured quite a few recently, I was under the impression the generals had given their tank crews strict orders to destroy any abandoned vehicle.
 
Surprised they have captured quite a few recently, I was under the impression the generals had given their tank crews strict orders to destroy any abandoned vehicle.
There was a funny recording going around online the other month where a T-72B3 commander phones Uralvagonzavod (the manufacturer) to get assistance because his tanks broken down, and they tried to assist him as best they could with phone support. What made the recording priceless though was that the commander was Ukranian and it was a captured tank :D
 
T-59 is a Chinese tank though

It's a comedy video from China mocking the t-59 because the tank is still in use in the Chinese military. The Chinese military keeps sticking more modifications on it and claiming it's fully modern like nato
Is this the same tank that was stopped in Tiananmen square?
 
Putin was flexing over the weekend about the fact they are now putting their new RS-28 "Sarmat" ICBMs into service, showing how great Russia is blah blah.

Of course he's made no mention of the fact that they've had to be rushed into service early due to his "special operation", as the invasion meant that Ukraine voided Russia's maintenance contracts for their existing Ukrainian built R-36M "Satan" ICBMs so these have now gone nearly two years without being looked at.
 
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