Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Rroff]

That's often said but it doesn't make sense to me. By the war being drawn out, it's meant Russia has now had time to go to other evil states to negotiate and as a result, Iran and North Korea will be getting who knows what tech from Russia in return for the ammo Russia needs from them. Iran and North Korea potentially getting advanced fighters, Russian missile tech, maybe even help with nuclear weapons, far outweighs any benefit anyone would put logically put on Russia being tied up.

Flip side is that it keeps Russia from competing in markets the US have an interest in and with potential tensions between China and the US if it comes to it a weakened Russia is less able to aid China against the US. Countries are also more likely to turn to the US for military procurement rather than Russia.

EDIT: Iran and NK have been getting help with those things anyhow - a lot of North Korea missile development is actually aided by Iran who ironically acquired a lot of information as to Russian missile tech from and/or via Ukraine. China is almost certainly aiding NK to a certain extent - some of their nuclear weapons advances are almost certainly from China, China has also been one of the sources for the TEL vehicles for their missiles and some mobile artillery, etc.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

There is too much vested interested in keeping Russia tied up in my opinion even at the expense of Ukrainian lives as well as too many lacking vision or ability to see the longer term picture/struggling to wake up from the world they've known for the past 30-40 years.

Lack of vision has always been a fault of Western democracies. They can never see past the next election.

 

[ubersonic]

Russia have apparently destroyed an 80 year old Panzer IV in Ukraine.

Many theories going around as to what the hell happened here, including a tear in the space time continuum.

Lack of vision has always been a fault of Western democracies. They can never see past the next election.

I may be citing the wrong number here, though won't be far off.

If I remember the figures correctly over 75% of the US soldiers killed in Vietnam died after the point the USA knew the war was unwinnable, it's just nobody wanted to be president when the USA was defeated in war for the first* time.

*Not including the time in the Napoleonic wars when they invaded Canada and it went so badly the White House was torched in the counter attack, they only consider that a draw

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Dragged out of someone's barn and used as a decoy I expect.

 

[Hook]

While I'm sure Ukraine is grateful to final have these longer range missiles I can't help but bang my head against the table knowing just how useful these would have been to the UAF had these been delivered before the start of the summer counter offensive.

(Edit: the west is thinking)

Can't throw the frog in boiling water, got to slowly turn the heat up.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1715086853429166471

Not good hope it dosnt impact Ukraine to much

I'm not really sure what Israel needs it for. They're not going to be fighting the same kind of war that Ukraine are.

Perhaps the headline is more of a deterrent to Iran than practical use against Gaza.

 

[lookitsjonno]

I'm not really sure what Israel needs it for. They're not going to be fighting the same kind of war that Ukraine are.

Perhaps the headline is more of a deterrent to Iran than practical use against Gaza.

I don't get it either, it's not like Israel are short of a weapon or two

 

[alchal]

I'm not really sure what Israel needs it for. They're not going to be fighting the same kind of war that Ukraine are.

Perhaps the headline is more of a deterrent to Iran than practical use against Gaza.

If so they are playing a dangerous game.

Ukraine losing will have a far greater impact than isreals ability to flatten gazza.

Absolute madness of epic proportions if true.

 

[jigger]

Russia have apparently destroyed an 80 year old Panzer IV in Ukraine.

Many theories going around as to what the hell happened here, including a tear in the space time continuum.

I may be citing the wrong number here, though won't be far off.

If I remember the figures correctly over 75% of the US soldiers killed in Vietnam died after the point the USA knew the war was unwinnable, it's just nobody wanted to be president when the USA was defeated in war for the first* time.

*Not including the time in the Napoleonic wars when they invaded Canada and it went so badly the White House was torched in the counter attack, they only consider that a draw

Maybe the Ukrainians got a little tired of the Russians showing off and fielding all its antique equipment.

Seen a dead Russian 1950 BTR and PT 76 light tank today.

 

[ubersonic]

If so they are playing a dangerous game.

Ukraine losing will have a far greater impact than isreals ability to flatten gazza.

Israel launching a ground offensive against Gaza is going to put their international opinion at an all time low, thus providing the surrounding Arab countries with a best ever shot at taking action against them and splitting UN opinion on it.

The USA know this and need to make sure Israel are not just stocked up to deter their neighbours getting involved but visibly seen to be stocked up in order to deter their neighbours getting involved.

It actually benefits Ukraine, after all if large scale war broke out there then it would have an even bigger impact on them as the wests resources would be split thinly and Russia would find itself with strong ties to some new defacto allies and thus new avenues for both sales of equipment they have a surplus of and sources for equipment they're short on.

 

[S.A.S]

Russia have apparently destroyed an 80 year old Panzer IV in Ukraine.

Many theories going around as to what the hell happened here, including a tear in the space time continuum.

That's wild haha, they must have pulled it out of an old shed and thought f it, why not.

 

[Rroff]

I'm not really sure what Israel needs it for. They're not going to be fighting the same kind of war that Ukraine are.

Perhaps the headline is more of a deterrent to Iran than practical use against Gaza.

If they got into a proper shooting war with Syria they'd need it, and I guess they have to be prepared for the potential for Egypt or Jordan to get involved even though that seems very unlikely at this stage.

They've been booting a fair amount of artillery into Gaza as well so probably need some to restock that.

 

[The Funktopus]

I’m guessing the flux capacitor kicks in when the gun calibre reaches 88mm.

 

[Minusorange]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1715143230323298670

 

[I_M_Weasel]

If they got into a proper shooting war with Syria they'd need it, and I guess they have to be prepared for the potential for Egypt or Jordan to get involved even though that seems very unlikely at this stage.

They've been booting a fair amount of artillery into Gaza as well so probably need some to restock that.

Syria is a wreck of a country after years of civil war and no real threat to Israel and Egypt isn't interested in joining in, it's not even really helping Gaza through their shared border. Jordan is too weak to trouble Israel.

And of course if it really ever came to Israel really being in trouble. they are a nuclear power.

It's really the US indicating that they have their backing and they are free to act.

 

[Grim5]

You don't hear nuclear saber rattling but if Israel wanted to, they could, they have enough nukes to hit all their enemies at once

 

[Rroff]

Syria is a wreck of a country after years of civil war and no real threat to Israel and Egypt isn't interested in joining in, it's not even really helping Gaza through their shared border. Jordan is too weak to trouble Israel.

And of course if it really ever came to Israel really being in trouble. they are a nuclear power.

It's really the US indicating that they have their backing and they are free to act.

Problem with Syria is it could be used as a staging ground for Hezbollah and others/proxies including Iranian elements - probably about the only potential direction for any kind of serious engagement beyond long range missiles/rockets and border skirmishes by light forces.

 

[ubersonic]

Problem with Syria is it could be used as a staging ground for Hezbollah and others/proxies including Iranian elements - probably about the only potential direction for any kind of serious engagement beyond long range missiles/rockets and border skirmishes by light forces.

There is the bonus that if Syria ended up in a conflict with Israel, it would force Putin to either divert resources to Syria to help, or lose an important ally. Win win for the west and Ukraine.

 

[StriderX]

There is the bonus that if Syria ended up in a conflict with Israel, it would force Putin to either divert resources to Syria to help, or lose an important ally. Win win for the west and Ukraine.

The problem I see is if the US is bogged down then China may accelerate their plans which would be such a seismic change that essentially any frozen conflict will likely just implode as factions move to 'resolve' their grievances without anyone else intervening.

 

[SPG]

USA is capable of fighting on 2 fronts. It's part of their doctrine. It's more than capable, Europe can handle Russia if needs be, hell maybe just Poland alone.