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The F-117 has a tiny payload and requires specialist maintenance only performed by probably one team in the USAF; it's a completely ridiculous notion to think Ukraine will get them, could operate them, or that they'd be useful in any meaningful way if they did.

Maybe look for a different Wunderwaffe, because that's not it.

Jigger waves at comrade Roar while mouthing the word soon.
 
I thought the biggest advantage to the F16s was that they were natively compatible launch platforms for all NATO air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, and had a much longer range radar than the Migs they're currently using. So they could remain further behind the front line, searching for potential targets and launch their missiles, without needing to have everything all pre-programmed before the flight.
 
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I thought the biggest advantage to the F16s was that they were natively compatible launch platforms for all NATO air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, and had a much longer range radar than the Migs they're currently using. So they could remain further behind the front line, searching for potential targets and launch their missiles, without needing to have everything all pre-programmed before the flight.

Plenty of them and plenty capable. The ideal jet for Ukraine would probably be the SAAB E.
 
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It literally carries 2 bombs and costs millions to maintain. This thread is like a mix of people discussing the war like it's Hearts of Iron 4 combined with looking at the USAF inventory like it's a shopping list without really any fundamental understanding of military equipment
 
It literally carries 2 bombs and costs millions to maintain. This thread is like a mix of people discussing the war like it's Hearts of Iron 4 combined with looking at the USAF inventory like it's a shopping list without really any fundamental understanding of military equipment

It literally can fly anywhere undetected and drop precision weapons down chimneys.

Vladolf could get a nice little Christmas present.

But seriously, the US have about 40 serviceable F117s causing them headaches.
 
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It literally can fly anywhere undetected and drop precision weapons down chimneys.

Vladolf could get a nice little Christmas present.

But seriously, the US have about 40 serviceable F117s causing them headaches.

What mission do you envisage Ukraine needing a Night Hawk for? It's a light bomber best used against poorly defended military infrastructure. Ukraine needs close air support and an air superiority fighter, basically an F-16
 
What mission do you envisage Ukraine needing a Night Hawk for? It's a light bomber best used against poorly defended military infrastructure. Ukraine needs close air support and an air superiority fighter, basically an F-16
Normally used against high value targets like that strike in Crimea the other week. Airfields as well would be a priority target for the F117, so basically any mission you can't do with your existing weapon platforms.
 
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I doubt A-10s fare well in contested airspace
Indeed, A-10s are great at dropping bombs on militants with no air force or air defences, and at causing friendly fire incidents, but they're really not good at the combat Ukraine is currently engaged in. There isn't really any point sending them unless they start running low on Su-25s, but then they can't really operate their Su-25s properly at the moment either as they don't have the required air support (or Russia's "if they die they die" approach to it's assets).

This next paragraph may annoy people who had a model of one as a kid, but the A-10 is not a good aircraft. Built for a war that never happened and overhyped by a reputation and capabilities that it never earned nor demonstrated, it has repeatedly failed to live up to the hype every time it's been deployed, the only reason it's still in service while more capable aircraft like the F-111 have retired is because the people making those decisions have more knowledge of the hype and not it's actual combat performance.
 
Was bad mission planning and a lot of luck TBH.
This, IIRC they flew the same route at the same time each day because they were confident nothing could threaten them, so the guy basically knew if he kept his radars turned off then they wouldn't be destroyed by anti radiation missiles, and he could just switch them on when he knew the Nighthawks were due to approach and try to get an aquisition, which he did.


Nothing has so far been able to survive Russian airdefence.
Especially the Russian Air Force :P
 
Indeed, A-10s are great at dropping bombs on militants with no air force or air defences, and at causing friendly fire incidents, but they're really not good at the combat Ukraine is currently engaged in. There isn't really any point sending them unless they start running low on Su-25s, but then they can't really operate their Su-25s properly at the moment either as they don't have the required air support (or Russia's "if they die they die" approach to it's assets).

This next paragraph may annoy people who had a model of one as a kid, but the A-10 is not a good aircraft. Built for a war that never happened and overhyped by a reputation and capabilities that it never earned nor demonstrated, it has repeatedly failed to live up to the hype every time it's been deployed, the only reason it's still in service while more capable aircraft like the F-111 have retired is because the people making those decisions have more knowledge of the hype and not it's actual combat performance.
But it goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ?
 
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