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What mission do you envisage Ukraine needing a Night Hawk for? It's a light bomber best used against poorly defended military infrastructure. Ukraine needs close air support and an air superiority fighter, basically an F-16

The F117 needs no close air support. Sneak in drop 500/1000lbs bombs, sneak out and re arm. Rinse and repeat.

Personally… first mission northern fleet base. Maybe turn a few into UAV’s packed to the hilt with explosives. Fill the cabin and bay.
 
The F117 needs no close air support. Sneak in drop 500/1000lbs bombs, sneak out and re arm. Rinse and repeat.

Personally… first mission northern fleet base. Maybe turn a few into UAV’s packed to the hilt with explosives. Fill the cabin and bay.
Surely, it's easier to just ATACMS or Storm shadow the target.
China's usual defence is racism

If you claim they damaged a cable they put out a statement: This is blatant racism from the westerners
I don't really see what China's motivations would be to bother with an operation like that. At the moment, they're happily watching all their world competition slug it out, while happily manufacturing and selling their goods to all sides.
 
Surely, it's easier to just ATACMS or Storm shadow the target.

I don't really see what China's motivations would be to bother with an operation like that. At the moment, they're happily watching all their world competition slug it out, while happily manufacturing and selling their goods to all sides.

Definitely if you have them. Bombs dropped from planes are much more cost effective.
 
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Indeed, A-10s are great at dropping bombs on militants with no air force or air defences, and at causing friendly fire incidents, but they're really not good at the combat Ukraine is currently engaged in. There isn't really any point sending them unless they start running low on Su-25s, but then they can't really operate their Su-25s properly at the moment either as they don't have the required air support (or Russia's "if they die they die" approach to it's assets).

This next paragraph may annoy people who had a model of one as a kid, but the A-10 is not a good aircraft. Built for a war that never happened and overhyped by a reputation and capabilities that it never earned nor demonstrated, it has repeatedly failed to live up to the hype every time it's been deployed, the only reason it's still in service while more capable aircraft like the F-111 have retired is because the people making those decisions have more knowledge of the hype and not it's actual combat performance.

Have to disagree. Most (if not all) of the blue on blue issues are from over eager US pilots and congested battlefields suffering communication failures from operating as coalition forces. The A10 isn’t some kind of homicidal friendly fire killing machine.

The A10 is ideal for attacking ground targets, ruining artillery and armour. The Ukrainians don’t have many SU25s.
 
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The only real weakness of the A-10 (aside from being slow), and it is a big one given the role, is target acquisition and lack of technology when it comes to navigating and finding targets visually and that is fixable with modern electronics and much improved with the targetting pod upgrade post ~2008, though the sniper pod has had some issues including being implicated in friendly fire instances.

If you watch the cockpit videos, especially older ones, they often really struggle to locate and get on target especially in environments where the targets can more easily blend in and/or terrain without many good landmarks.
 
I thought the biggest advantage to the F16s was that they were natively compatible launch platforms for all NATO air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, and had a much longer range radar than the Migs they're currently using. So they could remain further behind the front line, searching for potential targets and launch their missiles, without needing to have everything all pre-programmed before the flight.

Thats pretty much their only "real" advantage in Ukraine, everything else (longer range radar than Ukrainian MiG-29 but shorter than their Su-27 etc) just isn't really usable in the very limited way Ukraine could attempt to leverage them, as they're missing so much of the rest of the NATO-style support infrastructure (AWAC's, Tankers, EW, Datalinks etc) that makes NATO led F-16's a far greater threat.

This next paragraph may annoy people who had a model of one as a kid, but the A-10 is not a good aircraft. Built for a war that never happened and overhyped by a reputation and capabilities that it never earned nor demonstrated, it has repeatedly failed to live up to the hype every time it's been deployed, the only reason it's still in service while more capable aircraft like the F-111 have retired is because the people making those decisions have more knowledge of the hype and not it's actual combat performance.

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Ah, I love popping in here and reading the things people write, never stop, please, never stop! :D

In every war it's been a great workhorse despite human errors. During GW1 the A-10 "desk" in the huge airwar HQ building even jokingly changed the name above their desk from A-10 (Attack) to the AFBRIWW-10 (Attack, Fighter, Bomber, Recon, Interdiction, Wild-Weasel) because its mission set kept being expanded into more and more roles because it was so good, hell it even went SCUD hunting too (taken from the book "Warthog" written by a historian, not an A-10 pilot - available on Amazon :)).

The only real weakness of the A-10 (aside from being slow), and it is a big one given the role, is target acquisition and lack of technology when it comes to navigating and finding targets visually and that is fixable with modern electronics and much improved with the targetting pod upgrade post ~2008, though the sniper pod has had some issues including being implicated in friendly fire instances.

If you watch the cockpit videos, especially older ones, they often really struggle to locate and get on target especially in environments where the targets can more easily blend in and/or terrain without many good landmarks.

There are only modernised A-10C's left now, no older A-10A's remain. The A-10C's have some of the most modern equipment within the USAF for target acquisition, tracking & navigation outside of the F-35's kit, including helmet mounted display (HMCS), laser ring gyros for Nav, advanced datalinks (SADL, L16 etc) for off-aircraft detection, Sniper ATP-SE or XR or Litening ER laser pod for on-aircraft detection etc etc.

The biggest one there for modern battlefields (vs the F-16/-15E/-18 etc) is the SADL, where a JTAC on the ground simply types in the location of the enemy they can see and transmits it to the A-10C which automatically updates its displays (inc the HMDS) with that info within a second, so the pilot now just looks and can instantly see through the helmet display exactly what the guy on the ground has ID'd. Then the A-10C can send a video feed back to the JTAC from the Sniper/Litening pod so the JTAC can confirm thats correct target, all done within seconds with no "visual" scanning for targets required, looking for coloured smoke or words passed between people to be misheard etc. The F-16/-15E/-18 etc doesn't have capability and so would have to spend time manually passing that data from the ground to the aircraft via voice usinga 9-Liner report which can (and has in the past) led to errors, takes far longer and has no way to transmit video images back to the ground for confirmation.

As an aside, due to a quirk of its huge weapons carriage, there's plans to make it an Airborne MALD Decoy/Drone carrier as it can carry the same amount of MALD as a B-52 can (16) which is more than an F-16/15E/-18 can -


“MALD was the easy button. It requires no software integration with the A-10, we can just hang it up, drop it, and it works. To bring it to the fight you just need lots of stations — which is what the A-10 has — we’re not limited by weight because it’s a lightweight weapon and we’ve got 10 pylons that we can hang MALD on.”

The A-10 will be able to carry up to 16 MALDs, the same quantity as the B-52, and an interesting comparison with the F-16, which can carry four.
 
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Lmao at roar claiming Baghdad was poorly defended. What a dumb comment, seriously where does this guy come from

Baghdad at the start of the war had 58 surface to air missiles batteries, 1300 anti air guns and a couple hundred radars
 
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Have to disagree. Most (if not all) of the blue on blue issues are from over eager US pilots and congested battlefields suffering communication failures from operating as coalition forces. The A10 isn’t some kind of homicidal friendly fire killing machine.
Put it this way, in Afghanistan it's effectiveness was severely hampered by the fact that the Taliban learnt to tell when it was coming due to the coalition troops it was coming to help taking cover from it xD

If anyone's interested there's a bunch of really good videos on YouTube these days highlighting how poor the combat performance of the A-10 has really been and how it's never lived up to the hype, I.E this one:



In every war it's been a great workhorse despite human errors.
Sorry to break it to you but the fact the emperor has no clothes on has been known for some time now, see above.
 
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You see when you wrote that the F-117 (a plane that worked exceptionally well against Baghdad) was merely "a light bomber best used against poorly defended military infrastructure" you were in fact implying by your words that Baghdad (and other heavily defended targets that the F-117 was effectively utilised against) was poorly defended.

The F-117 was used against Yugoslavia, in both Iraq wars - and not just against Baghdad by the way, as well as against the Taliban in Afghanistan. Not that I was even considering it's operational history in the context of how a 40 year old stealth fighter might be used in 2023. So no, there was no implication that Baghdad was poorly defended. There's barely a documentary about the Gulf War that I haven't watched so I don't think that nor would I type it or imply it, thanks.]

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Could you tell me what the black aircraft is from the 2003 invasion?

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Aircraft of the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing and coalition counterparts stationed together in southwest Asia at an undisclosed location, fly over the desert. April 14, 2003.
 
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