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Since the beginning of the special operation, Russia has accepted more than 730 thousand children from Ukraine
Thank you: Russia has accepted more than 730,000 children from Ukraine since the beginning of the Northern Military District

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UN, November 10 – RIA Novosti. Since the beginning of the special military operation, Russia has accepted more than 730 thousand children from Ukraine - most of them with their parents and only 2 thousand - pupils of orphanages in the DPR and LPR, who arrived with teachers, the Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya said at an informal meeting of the UN Security Council.
“Since the beginning of the North Eastern Military District, Russian regions have received more than 5 million residents of Ukraine and the Donbass republics who voluntarily left for our country, more than 730 thousand of them are children. The vast majority of these children arrived with their parents or other relatives. Only 2 thousand of them are pupils of orphanages of the DPR and LPR, who arrived together with teachers,” Nebenzya said.

Lavrov commented on statements about the “theft” of Ukrainian children
September 23, 19:55


How many is forced relocation it doesn't say but cutting the sound bite to 700k children snatched is certainly more sensational.
 
The Washington Post running another story on ex-Special Operations elements within Ukraine being the ones to organise and carry out the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines, according to various "officials with Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe" -

"A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation."
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Again, there's no absolute proof yet and as such the story around this event is still not confirmed one way of another. However, the use of "specific wording" by the WaPo - i.e. people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation - is generally (but not always) reserved only for times when a US 3 letter agency needs to say something "off record" and thats the part that intrigues me the most.

There also seem to be a noticeable shift in the reporting of the war generally (I think) into a more negative tone that held previously, and most of it I think seems to stem from the perceived lack of spectacular success of Ukraine's spring/summer offensive, compared to many peoples vastly over-hyped expectations, well at least thats what I think is happening.
 
Even if Ukraine did blow it up I say good for them.

Better to force reality on the Germans and make them go cold turkey than further allow temptation and blackmail on Russian gas addiction.

Maybe setup infrastructure from a more reliable partner in the future.
 
ianh said:
The Washington Post running another story on ex-Special Operations elements within Ukraine being the ones to organise and carry out the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines, according to various "officials with Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe" -





Again, there's no absolute proof yet and as such the story around this event is still not confirmed one way of another. However, the use of "specific wording" by the WaPo - i.e. people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation - is generally (but not always) reserved only for times when a US 3 letter agency needs to say something "off record" and thats the part that intrigues me the most.

There also seem to be a noticeable shift in the reporting of the war generally (I think) into a more negative tone that held previously, and most of it I think seems to stem from the perceived lack of spectacular success of Ukraine's spring/summer offensive, compared to many peoples vastly over-hyped expectations, well at least thats what I think is happening.
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Yet when it was suggested earlier in the thread that the Russians had no incentive to do so people were accused of lots of different things....

But it's fine it'll be gone next news cycle and we can go back to glorifying people dying in ever more exotic ways.

However, if we head to a recession in H1 2024 then I suspect the appetite for a grinding war or attrition is going to diminish even more.

And if it turns out that was the plan all along to just grind a bunch of slavs for the US until no longer convenient, will people admit maybe they were duped a bit?
 
I said it at the time it happened and I still beleive it today. Whoever carried out the act of blowing up the Nordstream did Europe a big favor, any and all reduction on reliance for energy from Russia would continue to be used as a "weapon" against Europe.
 
steve45 said:
I said it at the time it happened and I still beleive it today. Whoever carried out the act of blowing up the Nordstream did Europe a big favor, any and all reduction on reliance for energy from Russia would continue to be used as a "weapon" against Europe.
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And now Europe face long term energy problems (not just due to this but overall) which benefits the US and China enormously.

So yes it might be good in general but on the whole it sucks for Europe. But again its multifaceted and Europe as a whole is going to struggle.
 
Orangeade said:
Yet when it was suggested earlier in the thread that the Russians had no incentive to do so people were accused of lots of different things....

But it's fine it'll be gone next news cycle and we can go back to glorifying people dying in ever more exotic ways.

However, if we head to a recession in H1 2024 then I suspect the appetite for a grinding war or attrition is going to diminish even more.

And if it turns out that was the plan all along to just grind a bunch of slavs for the US until no longer convenient, will people admit maybe they were duped a bit?
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Only one who is duped is you.
 
I'd take American LNG at a premium over Russian gas anyday.

Also no pipeline to worry about sabotage like Finland found out recently.
 
Orangeade said:
And now Europe face long term energy problems (not just due to this but overall) which benefits the US and China enormously.

So yes it might be good in general but on the whole it sucks for Europe. But again its multifaceted and Europe as a whole is going to struggle.
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No sign of supply problems right now
When will we see these supply problems?
 
Roar87 said:
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Biden says he'll shut down Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia further invades Ukraine

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I don't even know why this a point of discussion. The US did it, they said they would and they did.
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AAAannd were back to this nonesense... We've seen ZERO evidence or proof that leads to USA carrying out the act! You continue to present some throwaway comments from a man who dosnt know what day it is or can barely even finish a sentence.

Regardless, it makes little difference who did it, were all better off for it. Better that the bandaid was torn off rather than ween off it. It was shut down anyway, and there was likely no intention of restarting supply whilst the conflict and supply of arms continued. No longer being held at ransom.
 
Roar87 said:
It's a conspiracy to say they did something President Biden said they would do? I'm sure it was Russia though!
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Biden said they were going to blow up the pipeline huh. I didn't hear that in the clip, would you mind providing the evidence of him saying that.

Oh and tbh I don't really care who did it. If it was Ukraine then good on them. If it was Russia, they knew it was dead anyway. If it was a Baltic state well they took a chance to potentially hurt Russia. If it was the US, then they did Europe a favour. That doesn't mean I think it was the US, I don't know who did it and it doesn't matter either, its done and its good that it is done.
 
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