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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Hmmm i think "i get it" I just dont see a domino effect without "real" less half assed intervention from Europe if Ukraine falls, which it wont because it wont be allowed to, no matter even if the USA stop everything they are doing the EU and and the UK will ramp up and step up and we will all probably sleep walk into a WW3 (not technically i guess) scenario. All of Europe's focused economic and industrial might Vs Russia isn't even a competition in a conventional war.... But who in their right mind wants that? Short of genocide, Russia will always be populated by Russians and russians are not normal people they have been brainwashed for 100 years to be who they are. Besides we need Russia on our side when China makes a move. We are only weakening ourselves as a whole in Ukraine.
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I totally agree with the first part, but for the rest is too late. Momentum was lost in the end of 2022, when Ukraine started to take their land back in few places, but west got scared and not gave enough for Ukraine to become stronger.
Now it will be a long term conflict and not in Ukraine's favour.
If Ukraine will fall everything what Europe has achieved as a whole since 1945 will be lost. It was lost in 2014 actually when russia smelled ukrainian blood and western weakness.
EU is falling behind of delivery so long promised 155mm shells. IIRC Germany has...just googled, only 250 tanks in service. It's a joke! 2014 supposed to be awakening for Europe, but instead they decided to give some small piece of land to putin...
It's coming chaps. IMO Taiwan is next in the queue.
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It was discussed a few pages/days ago that the USA giving up its old stockpiles of material and ammunition was actually cheaper than decommissioning it. The money used to replenish new stocks was going straight back into the US economy.
I am an absolute layman but its sounds logical and if its true why isn't this being blurted out 24/7 on every bit of social media and media service in the free world....
South Korea has given away an astronomical amount of 155mm from what i understand..? Which makes sense but weakens them vs a N.Korea situation?
Stockpiles come to an end but the end of shelf stuff should just be packed on C-5s and flow to Europe...
I am an absolute layman but its sounds logical and if its true why isn't this being blurted out 24/7 on every bit of social media and media service in the free world....
South Korea has given away an astronomical amount of 155mm from what i understand..? Which makes sense but weakens them vs a N.Korea situation?
Stockpiles come to an end but the end of shelf stuff should just be packed on C-5s and flow to Europe...
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I think you're a bit OTT but thats your opinion its fine.
Taiwan next? Absolutely and logically so, but its a very different scenario and honestly i'm not sure i wanna see that happen because the US will directly intervene and then that is WW3 territory and China is another totalitarian ******** that doesn't give a toss how driven into the dirt its population will get.
I think the madness of Trump might even be a good thing for stopping that.... USA bailing on ukraine might be a reality/necessity to build civil good will for helping Taiwan in the future.
America is just as ****** up as china and russia in a lot of ways.
Agree, but is this happening? At the moment around 5bn has left within PDA that Biden has access to, but not rushing to give it to Ukraine. He ahd a chance with Land-Lease last year, which also wasn't use for one bullet. Actually I've seen reports that US NAVY command somewhere in atlantics received oil tanker delivery from russia. Drones and missiles have electronics from all over Europe smuggled via 3rd part countries. Im not talking even about china and n.korea. Come on...
S. Korea probably largest supplier of 155mm in the world right now.
Or could be better informed regarding situation in Ukraine.
I understand that no one sane would want to fight and die in the war, but investment in Ukraine's military is the cheapest way to secure the future for everyone, but unfortunately people in power don't want that. It means ordinary folks will pay for it. We had a lesson from WW2 I think, but we doomed to repeat the history I guess.
Because sheeple literally think the US gov are despatching billions of dollars of cash on pallets to Ukraine, and the media know they can stoke the fire quite easily to get engagement.
Exactly this.
Here below is what actually has been delivered to Ukraine up to date. Might be useful for someone.... Not promised, not in production etc. - actually what enables Ukraine to defend itself. Media is claiming billions and billions, but in reality it's nothing compared to what was Ukraine is fighting now.
Promises of United States assurances will mean nothing for partners in the future. Lets see what new election in states will bring next autumn.
Ukraine needs Public Support!
Request your representatives to give Ukraine the munitions to win this war
protectukrainenow.org
I think most Chinese and Russians would argue otherwise.
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The Prawo i Sprawiedliwość dream is over. Tusk has won, and Ukraine will receive renewed support from Poland.
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Most Russians probably wouldn't though. That's the problem. Despite what Putin has done to his own people, they still swear by him.
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Biden's $200m emergency drawdown to support Ukraine will hopefully plug the gap until their politics sorts itself out and the proper support package gets through.
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On the flipside N.Korea have given away and astronomical amount of their stuff to Russia. But in both cases they know there's more at stake than just Ukraine right now.
If Ukraine falls, then as mentioned previously it will mean an alliance of Russia, Iran and NK have (without even needing help from China) defeated the west in proxy economic and military warfare.
If the USA and/or the EU fail to hold up Ukraine while they make their heroic stand against Putin then it sends a clear message to the likes of N.Korea and China that the west couldn't save Ukraine, and it can't save South Korea or Taiwan.
You can bet that played heavy in S.Korea's decision to commit so much of it's stockpiles to aiding Ukraine.
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/12/7432737/
Delicious.
State sponsor of hacking gets hacked, large.
Delicious.
State sponsor of hacking gets hacked, large.
Soldato
You know what’s crazy?
If we took todays politics with crazy maga republicans, the general shift of the American right and others in the west and plopped them back in ww2…
They would be spouting about how the holocaust is not real it’s being made up and is propaganda. They would be pulling all the same sorts of grift and support for the likes of hitler too .
It’s actually so crazy how traitorous these political grifters have become and how stupid the people that swallow the Russian copeganda are.
If we took todays politics with crazy maga republicans, the general shift of the American right and others in the west and plopped them back in ww2…
They would be spouting about how the holocaust is not real it’s being made up and is propaganda. They would be pulling all the same sorts of grift and support for the likes of hitler too .
It’s actually so crazy how traitorous these political grifters have become and how stupid the people that swallow the Russian copeganda are.
Soldato
That is amazing.
Alas yes, though I suspect without pearl harbour America would have been acting similarly to now as historically America has repeatedly shafted its allies at every chance it got. E.g majority of the work on the a bomb, the design that allowed supersonic flight, terms of lend lease, all the iffy going’s on with Lockheed star fighters, TSR2 and f111’s and others.
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Soldato
Some American politicians suspected we were behind the Pearl Harbor attack.
It was us that pushed the Americans in to developing the bomb. The American politicians didn't believe it was possible. We did. We just couldn't afford it. In the end, of course, we had to, because they turned against us once it was developed and refused to share the technology, despite a prior agreement. Some spying, furious radiation leakage, and a morris minor, and bam! We were off! Only when we built our own did they cave in and agree to share again. We even pretended to have a hydrogen bomb, which was a total fib, but it worked. If it hadn't, then there probably wouldn't be a special relationship today.
In all fairness, the problems with the TSR2 and so on, were really our politician's fault (and an out of control member of the royal family). They just lost faith in our own industry and destroyed it. It was absolutely criminal what they did. We were up there with the best when it came to aircraft design and nuclear power and technology in general, but the politicians just destroyed it all. Now, we can't even make a washing machine.
India can land something on the moon, and we can't even get a Yorkshire pudding in to orbit. Great. Well done, politicians.
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