Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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rumple9 said:
^^ Probably too late for that
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Russia biggest advantage is being run by an autocrat Russia's economy can quickly pivot into a war one whereas in the west everything is debated and argued about. However if the west chooses to we can ramp up production coupled with stricter sanctions it would leave Russia behind, add in the supply of state of the art equipment and Ukraine will just out match Russia in every regard (besides Naval forces/ships). Just look at the two armies at the start of 2022 and look at them now, Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is the one the devolved into a mass conscript army relying on wholesale biomass charges grab a new 100m's of land.

I'm not overly worried by the delays in the US, Europe can fund Ukraine for the time being and I'm sure the blockage in the US congress will get sorted out soon enough.
 
Owenb said:
Unfortunately right after Germany announced that they were increasing military aid next year a German court ruled that the governments budget was illegal as it broke spending rules. So savings will have to be made and some of that might be the aid to Ukraine.
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Might, given the language used, I cant see them cutting it wholesale especially if/when other EU nations up their contributions.
Freddie1980 said:
Russia biggest advantage is being run by an autocrat Russia's economy can quickly pivot into a war one whereas in the west everything is debated and argued about. However if the west chooses to we can ramp up production coupled with stricter sanctions it would leave Russia behind, add in the supply of state of the art equipment and Ukraine will just out match Russia in every regard (besides Naval forces/ships). Just look at the two armies at the start of 2022 and look at them now, Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia is the one the devolved into a mass conscript army relying on wholesale biomass charges grab a new 100m's of land.

I'm not overly worried by the delays in the US, Europe can fund Ukraine for the time being and I'm sure the blockage in the US congress will get sorted out soon enough.
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Indeed, as I posted, US are sending hardware, EU sending cash, Im sure a lot of the drones used to attacks were either donated or bought from donated cash.
bingham67 said:
They took ages to make them decisions though they could have had peope trained up on western kit a long time before they did.
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True, the training could maybe have started earlier then the push earlier in the year might have had even more success having superior, or at least some, air power.
 
Trump will wanna be seen as the broker of a peace deal. Greatest ego 2024 along with Putin.
"Peace" will come in 2024 and there's gonna be one hell of a buffer zone put in place, with cold war levels of military reserve being funneled back into Europe. All along the new frontiers of Europe.
Then we sit it out until Putin dies.
He might even just nuke/something huge Kyiv by the end especially if he's diagnosed with a terminal illness or faced with certain loss.
Then China will invade Taiwan and America will have more to deal with. Europe/UK isn't gonna offer much help there.
Genuinely not much hope for the next 10 years be surprised if we get through without the brink of WW3.


.just my thoughts...
 
brendy said:
Im not so sure, the Ukrainians needed training on a lot of the western kit, giving them everything straight off was just going to be wasted. With the US faltering in their support right now, Germany has said they will step up its aid recently, I dont see the UK and others having the same problems getting funding greenlit for them neither.
It seems that the US are giving the most military aid but the EU is by far giving more financial aid which is just as crucial as it means they can buy exactly what they need rather than whats sat dusty on everyone elses shelves. source on military vs financial aid by country etc: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
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Can't just buy some of the stuff they need - as it either isn't in production or low quantities, etc.
 
Just spitballin' here for discussion but since we keep saying we absolutely can't let Russia "win" this war, due to the geopolitical ramifications on many levels, why don't we (the West) just go in with our forces and kick the Russians out? Would we just sit here and watch Ukraine fall if the support isn't enough?

What's the difference geopolitically* to doing it ourselves in collaboration with the Ukranians rather than just openly supplying them weapons, training and intelligence. I mean it's not like we're hiding the fact we're currently fighting the war by proxy anyway.

*I say geopolitically because of course the obvious difference is it would be our troops dying as well, but on the political stage I don't see that much difference and not enough for Russia to realistically start throwing nukes about which is everyones main concern.

*dons flame suit* :p
 
It's always going to drop to Nukes @Freakbro - Any nation with a decent military in Europe is already in NATO which means even if just one breaks ranks and decides to directly help with its own troops then to Russia (and most of the world) it instantly becomes NATO vs Russia and that will have only one outcome without a whole lot of pre-planning a Russian Coup at the same time.
 
Ultimately the escalation is too unpredictable and too risky, at the very least risks dragging any country involved into open war with Russia.

Ignoring nukes for a moment, if we were to officially put boots on the ground in Ukraine that would pretty much give Russia free reign to do things like carrying out sabotage against UK infrastructure including the undersea cables, etc. possibly put their strategic bombers to use rather than just probing the periphery of our airspace, carry out covert hostile acts, etc. and would make British citizens overseas, aircraft, ships, etc. a potential target. and right now we are somewhat reliant on our Type 45s and what we can get in the air for long range/advanced air defences...
 
Ultimately, straw poll. This is gonna really get me some hate....

I would rather see Ukraine fall than Britain/Sweden, being bombed in a ww3 type way and i dont think a single person here would disagree (obv not sweden) and if you do id love to read why just kicking the Russian problem can further up the road for another ten years wouldn't be preferable...
Britains in no shape to defend herself... Sweden's a joke... Mind you i dont think Russia is in a great way to attack either so its all just babble.
 
Efour said:
Ultimately, straw poll. This is gonna really get me some hate....

I would rather see Ukraine fall than Britain/Sweden, being bombed in a ww3 type way and i dont think a single person here would disagree (obv not sweden) and if you do id love to read why just kicking the Russian problem can further up the road for another ten years wouldn't be preferable...
Britains in no shape to defend herself... Sweden's a joke... Mind you i dont think Russia is in a great way to attack either so its all just babble.
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I take it your all ready fluent in Russian........because if Ukraine falls you will need it
 
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Efour said:
Trump will wanna be seen as the broker of a peace deal. Greatest ego 2024 along with Putin.
"Peace" will come in 2024 and there's gonna be one hell of a buffer zone put in place, with cold war levels of military reserve being funneled back into Europe. All along the new frontiers of Europe.
Then we sit it out until Putin dies.
He might even just nuke/something huge Kyiv by the end especially if he's diagnosed with a terminal illness or faced with certain loss.
Then China will invade Taiwan and America will have more to deal with. Europe/UK isn't gonna offer much help there.
Genuinely not much hope for the next 10 years be surprised if we get through without the brink of WW3.


.just my thoughts...
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Trump wanted to pull the US out of NATO. I don’t think even Trump knows what he will do, but any deal made with Vladolf will only serve Vladolf.
 
jigger said:
If Ukraine falls the Russian threat to Europe continues. Pretty simple really.
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The Russian threat to Europe has been there since 1945... The only way to remove the threat is to destroy Russia? Its fine if you think thats right and if not sorry to misrepresent you.
Just keeping it open and honest.

Im not saying a world without Russia would be a worse place, a world without Russian culture/mentality also is ok.
 
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Russia has a GDP of about 60% of just the UK alone, Europe has 5 times as many people as Russia, the EU+UK combined defence spending is about 300 billion euros outside of a wartime setting compared to Russian spending of around 78 billion euros while fighting a major conflict on their border. I'll probably put off learning Russian for a while.
 
Efour said:
Go on show me your working out.....
I know we can all say nonsense, im very guilty of it but how does that follow....
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yes...your wish off Ukraine falling is nonsense imho......there is nothing to work out about it either. Ukraine is dealing with the biggest threat to our lives in Europe since an Austrian corporal took power in 1930's Germany. Putin is off the same mold as Hitler, he is a ruthless maniacal dictator who does not care about anything except his own ambitions, he does not care about his people, he wants to see the west on its knees and if we give in and appease him he will get what he wants. Look at the 1930's Europe leading up to ww2. We (the British) appeased Hitler and let him more or less do what he wanted in the hope he would not eventually start a war. That will happen again with Putin if we dont make a stand this time.
I know one thing....I dont want to have to speak Russian!
 
Efour said:
The Russian threat to Europe has been there since 1945... The only way to remove the threat is to destroy Russia? Its fine if you think thats right and if not sorry to misrepresent you.
Just keeping it open and honest.

Im not saying a world without Russia would be a worse place, a world without Russian culture/mentality also is ok.
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Russia and the world would be better off if not forcefully ruled by a murderous lunatic.
 
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